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    Quote Originally Posted by Frag51 View Post
    I look forward with anticipation to TheRealG's future posts, as well as seeing his wisdom expand with the taking of level 12,14, and 16 historic city's in the coming weeks. With all that firepower and knowledge his war reports will be a thing of beauty.
    Sure will.

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    Ok, well I have a lvl 12 already... solo'd another lvl 12 and gave it away to a friend and we just took a 14 last night. Satan is spot on about a lot of this guide especially if you are using a level 12. The only thing is the number of waves are far too optomistic. I don't have the reports on me or am putting all that effort in but I have no problem filling in some blanks.

    All we used were layered archers and we probably used like 20 waves or more mostly because a bunch of people didn't have godly 500+ attack heroes so didn't take NEARLY as many swords/warriors per wave as you predict there. We also wasted like 5 - 7 waves completely as they only really re-killed layers before getting annihilated by defenders archers.

    So, when you supposedly predict you have cleared all of the cavs/swords (or pike), throw like 2 more waves from a different city to ensure they are gone... and then on following waves LAYER THEM LIKE CRAZY in order for your archers to even take shots at defending archers. What I mean is 1k war/worker/pike/sword/ram/ballista/trans/cat (if you have cats) for at least 3 waves to ensure elimination of opposing archers (most will be cleared in 2 waves but a few will be left). After just use warrior elimination waves as you planned. I would have to say at least 15 waves (the 8-9 you mentioned plus some from another city without HHs to finish off to take one just for insurance purposes for a first try. Obviously more if you aren't using 12s or have the HHs to back up those waves.

    You can try it the way you have it there if you have the heroes just add several more layers to your archer elimination waves if you want any of the layers to be left by the time you reach the defending archers to get a shot off.

    Something else to note (especially if you wanna solo): mechanics own historic cities when it comes to clearing archers... a huge ballista wave properly layered would annihilate all those archers in one shot saving you 3 waves plus eliminating many of the warrirors. If you don't want to lose that mechanic wave just use it for your last warrior wave... it will take out over a million warriors easily with minimum loses once defending archers are dead (remember the heavy layers i talked about to absorb warrior attacks).

    Rams are also a good idea but most people don't want to spend the month or so it takes to make 100k rams and then try to feed them when people aren't able to create the npc farms they used to have on age 1. In half that time you can make over a million archers and it costs you a lot less to feed them.

    Also pikes are very useful if you want to save some archers, especially if you are going at it when it is phract day.

    Last thing. Never attack a 14 when it is on pult/ballista day... your loses go up so much that it isn't even worth it.

    If you wanna chat about it just send me a pm.

    -SHgeno
    Last edited by SHgeno; 07-23-2010 at 11:04 PM. Reason: some spelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHgeno View Post
    What I mean is 1k war/worker/pike/sword/ram/ballista/trans/cat
    Heh , You should have just sent naked archers, you can kill there archers in 1-2 waves, should read Satans guide in the guides section, this is old now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHgeno View Post
    Ok, well I have a lvl 12 already... solo'd another lvl 12 and gave it away to a friend and we just took a 14 last night. Satan is spot on about a lot of this guide especially if you are using a level 12. The only thing is the number of waves are far too optomistic. I don't have the reports on me or am putting all that effort in but I have no problem filling in some blanks.

    All we used were layered archers and we probably used like 20 waves or more mostly because a bunch of people didn't have godly 500+ attack heroes so didn't take NEARLY as many swords/warriors per wave as you predict there. We also wasted like 5 - 7 waves completely as they only really re-killed layers before getting annihilated by defenders archers.

    So, when you supposedly predict you have cleared all of the cavs/swords (or pike), throw like 2 more waves from a different city to ensure they are gone... and then on following waves LAYER THEM LIKE CRAZY in order for your archers to even take shots at defending archers. What I mean is 1k war/worker/pike/sword/ram/ballista/trans/cat (if you have cats) for at least 3 waves to ensure elimination of opposing archers (most will be cleared in 2 waves but a few will be left). After just use warrior elimination waves as you planned. I would have to say at least 15 waves (the 8-9 you mentioned plus some from another city without HHs to finish off to take one just for insurance purposes for a first try. Obviously more if you aren't using 12s or have the HHs to back up those waves.

    You can try it the way you have it there if you have the heroes just add several more layers to your archer elimination waves if you want any of the layers to be left by the time you reach the defending archers to get a shot off.

    Something else to note (especially if you wanna solo): mechanics own historic cities when it comes to clearing archers... a huge ballista wave properly layered would annihilate all those archers in one shot saving you 3 waves plus eliminating many of the warrirors. If you don't want to lose that mechanic wave just use it for your last warrior wave... it will take out over a million warriors easily with minimum loses once defending archers are dead (remember the heavy layers i talked about to absorb warrior attacks).

    Rams are also a good idea but most people don't want to spend the month or so it takes to make 100k rams and then try to feed them when people aren't able to create the npc farms they used to have on age 1. In half that time you can make over a million archers and it costs you a lot less to feed them.

    Also pikes are very useful if you want to save some archers, especially if you are going at it when it is phract day.

    Last thing. Never attack a 14 when it is on pult/ballista day... your loses go up so much that it isn't even worth it.

    If you wanna chat about it just send me a pm.

    -SHgeno

    Once I got to your 2nd paragraph and read "we layered everything" I automatically knew what happened. Once you clear the Cavalry, you MUST send naked Archers or else you will hit swordsmen all the way through, and you won't achieve tradefire with opposing Archers which makes the rest of your waves fail.
    Also supposed layering with Pults, Rams, Ballistae, and traporters do absolutely nothing. They literally have no effect.
    Another thing I'll add, do not use mechanics on a HC unless it is the last wave your sending, and your sure no melee troops will reach your mechs. Why? Because Ballistae alone are 10x more time consuming to build than Archers. So if you use a mech wave(let's say 125k Ballistae), then you will have lost the equivalent of 1.25 million Archers, and let me tell you that 1.25million Archers will do a hell of a lot more damage than 125k Ballistae.

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    Lame. We're using 8 war ensigns? 500 ATK heros? Just make a lvl 10 1 mile from the 14 and send 100k waves from there. Each hero can attack once per minute with decent mount speed. The advantages of big waves are much over rated and one 100k wave is only marginally better then 2 50k waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post



    If you are so smart Almighty 1-posted, please enlighten us with what you we should send.

    What is wrong with my attacks, lol? I believe in your little posting you are using a LOT more troops then I am. You also are going to use Phracts and Cavs, which automatically makes your attack a fail. Cavs and Phracts do not help whatsoever, unless in LARGE quantities, and then archers are much more cheaper and effective. You also said that you will use 50k ballistae, 25k Rams(does nothing), and 10k Pults. I hope you understand, that unless used in HIGH quantities and with High attack heroes, mechanics are less effective then Archers.

    You come onto my thread, state that it is a fail, with horrible arguments that make no sense. One of my favorite arguments is that my theory is just brute force, when you plan on using 600k more archers, and 10 million warriors(lol). You also bring up regeneration, which I am positive you don't know a single thing about. Every NPC regenerates 1/3600 of it's troops per second. If you time all your waves with 1s between them, regeration is not a problem whatsoever on your spearhead waves.

    When you say someone or someone's work is a fail, try not to make that person and many others face palm.

    I Will But I Shall Break a few 12's first then a few 14's and 16's before I Attempt Atlantis Solo. You Know WHY Would I Post how to do it EASILY when I Am yet to break mine?

    And Before ya go whinning or anything I Have been on AgeII for 3 weeks now. And So Far have taken 3 10's. I Know it's nothing special but without techs at 10 I Am doing pretty well.


    Will get back here and Post results of my Quick and PAINLESS 12, 14, 16 Captures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post



    If you are so smart Almighty 1-posted, please enlighten us with what you we should send.

    What is wrong with my attacks, lol? I believe in your little posting you are using a LOT more troops then I am. You also are going to use Phracts and Cavs, which automatically makes your attack a fail. Cavs and Phracts do not help whatsoever, unless in LARGE quantities, and then archers are much more cheaper and effective. You also said that you will use 50k ballistae, 25k Rams(does nothing), and 10k Pults. I hope you understand, that unless used in HIGH quantities and with High attack heroes, mechanics are less effective then Archers.

    You come onto my thread, state that it is a fail, with horrible arguments that make no sense. One of my favorite arguments is that my theory is just brute force, when you plan on using 600k more archers, and 10 million warriors(lol). You also bring up regeneration, which I am positive you don't know a single thing about. Every NPC regenerates 1/3600 of it's troops per second. If you time all your waves with 1s between them, regeration is not a problem whatsoever on your spearhead waves.

    When you say someone or someone's work is a fail, try not to make that person and many others face palm.


    ROFL. Sorry Didn't READ the part about using the Cavs and Phracts ROFL.

    Satan THAT is why you FAILED on server 34. You have no idea how to Attack and any CHUMP can defend but you failed at that as well. Remember I BROKE Your unbeatable defence O.o and NPC'd you.

    You know when Cavs and Phracts are PROPERLY Layered they can Wipe out Almost anything if you know what to land just before they hit. If LAYERED RIGHT Abatis don't Pose to big a deal. But you have to LAYER PROPERLY


    But for an Archer Rainbow warrior you know how to Layer ARCHERS ROFL. Why don't you leave the THEORY On Decent defences to someone who can actually Attack aye Bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by The REAL GE View Post
    ROFL. Sorry Didn't READ the part about using the Cavs and Phracts ROFL.

    Satan THAT is why you FAILED on server 34. You have no idea how to Attack and any CHUMP can defend but you failed at that as well. Remember I BROKE Your unbeatable defence O.o and NPC'd you.

    You know when Cavs and Phracts are PROPERLY Layered they can Wipe out Almost anything if you know what to land just before they hit. If LAYERED RIGHT Abatis don't Pose to big a deal. But you have to LAYER PROPERLY


    But for an Archer Rainbow warrior you know how to Layer ARCHERS ROFL. Why don't you leave the THEORY On Decent defences to someone who can actually Attack aye Bud



    Your seriously talking about s34... which is something that happened over a year ago. That was my second server in Evony, and I still have no idea what I was doing. In my whole time of playing that server(about a month), I had been attacked 3 times, all of which got destroyed at my walls. So must've been obviously when I had quit the server.


    Please use Cavs and Phracts against a Historical City and see what happens

    Oh and please tell my the magical layer where 11,000 abatis don't kill Cavs. I'm sure the community would like know.

    Edit: Oh and please tell me when you have a PAINLESS way of breaking a lv 12/14/16. I'd be very interested lmao.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pepperpot99 View Post
    Lame. We're using 8 war ensigns? 500 ATK heros? Just make a lvl 10 1 mile from the 14 and send 100k waves from there. Each hero can attack once per minute with decent mount speed. The advantages of big waves are much over rated and one 100k wave is only marginally better then 2 50k waves.
    You guys need to let this thread die, lol. It's been revised and put in my real guide.
    Last edited by Satan; 07-26-2010 at 01:14 PM.

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    lol satan you still play this game
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    Quote Originally Posted by The REAL GE View Post
    You know when Cavs and Phracts are PROPERLY Layered they can Wipe out Almost anything if you know what to land just before they hit. If LAYERED RIGHT Abatis don't Pose to big a deal. But you have to LAYER PROPERLY
    Abatis only hits horseback units. So your theory is wrong.

    You just got owned by a guy who doesn't even play Evony.

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