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    See I wasn't meaning romantic in the sense of love when I said it's at times romantic in a sense. I mean more on the beauty of life and loyalty people have for each other and the sacrifices they are willing to make to keep their family from being burdened with shame. So that their family can be regarded with honor and respect.

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    My teacher's wife was a manic depressive, and at times attempted suicide. She was in a car accident years before that triggered this condition, and him and his children needed to adapt.

    I think he said it best when he told us "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". Although people in that mindset do not think that way.

    Even people who fake attempts are in serious need of help, as their emotions are damaged enough that they feel they must take these steps in order to attract a feeling of being wanted.

    I can't say I would never commit suicide. Logically and emotionally as I am and have been, I would never. Chemically or Psychologically is a different story. I cannot predict the future and may someday find myself with a condition that changes my mindset through my emotions.

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    I think the concept of "romantic" suicides is actually one borne of selfishness. There is probably a small bit of all of us that would be flattered to feel that someone loves us so deeply that they cannot go on with life without us. In a movie or book or other escapist fantasy, that's fine to play to that small part.

    I think, in reality, it's a terrible burden to place upon someone you supposedly care for. If you REALLY loved them, would you want them to live the rest of their lives feeling guilt over your death?

    I feel the same way about people who commit so-called "honor suicides". They are selfish, not noble. A person finds they cannot face whatever life has handed them, whether it be dishonor or bankruptcy or some other humiliation. They convince themselves that their loved ones would be better off without them. I wonder if any of them truly think it through. Would it be better to have a family member who, say, went to jail for a crime? Or a family member who committed a crime and then killed themselves? Isn't that a double-whammy for those left behind?

    I've had postpartum depression, and several friends also have suffered from this. The one mantra we kept repeating to each other in whispered midnight telephone calls, random emails, etc. was "If you love your family enough to die for them, then SURELY you love them enough to LIVE for them."

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    I want to speak in very general terms regarding this topic.


    I believe that choosing non-existence over existence is absurd. There is no proof whatsoever of any afterlife, I personally feel. This existence is the only one I know. And however bad or wrong it can go, I cannot conceive of simply stopping to be, if you understand my meaning.

    I am not blind or a fool. I know suicide exist and that, in some particular cases, justifications can and are found. Euthanasia of terminal patients are an example. And this is an internal debate I regularly come back to within my own conscience.

    All I can say, all I will allow myself to say, is there is no greater tragedy in the universe than to see hope die.

    When hope is gone, even for a single one of us, the universe grows that much darker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyBunny View Post
    I think the concept of "romantic" suicides is actually one borne of selfishness. There is probably a small bit of all of us that would be flattered to feel that someone loves us so deeply that they cannot go on with life without us. In a movie or book or other escapist fantasy, that's fine to play to that small part.

    I think, in reality, it's a terrible burden to place upon someone you supposedly care for. If you REALLY loved them, would you want them to live the rest of their lives feeling guilt over your death?

    I feel the same way about people who commit so-called "honor suicides". They are selfish, not noble. A person finds they cannot face whatever life has handed them, whether it be dishonor or bankruptcy or some other humiliation. They convince themselves that their loved ones would be better off without them. I wonder if any of them truly think it through. Would it be better to have a family member who, say, went to jail for a crime? Or a family member who committed a crime and then killed themselves? Isn't that a double-whammy for those left behind?

    I've had postpartum depression, and several friends also have suffered from this. The one mantra we kept repeating to each other in whispered midnight telephone calls, random emails, etc. was "If you love your family enough to die for them, then SURELY you love them enough to LIVE for them."
    But honor suicides aren't about selfishness. That's the whole point of them, for instance in feudal japan if you were in the wrong and your family was going to become outcasts because of your actions, then the right thing to do was commit suicide. This ensured your families place in the hierarchy so they would not be tossed out and would be able to keep what is theirs and go on living the life they deserve to live. It had nothing to do with getting yourself out of a mess, it had everything to do with saving your family from the mess you had created and them being punished along with you.

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    Not all suicides are sad.

    Some people have lived the life they wanted and just don't feel like being around anymore. However, most people under the age of....say 50, suicide just don't make sense to me. I'd rather be a bum living on a street corner of some random beach town drinking a bottle of Night Train a day than kill myself. But assisted suicide, when someone is bedridden and without any hope for recovery, or someone like Hunter S. Thompson who accomplished everything he had wanted to and was tired of his body and the daily pains. That's cool, I have no problems with that.

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    Some suicides are just a way for people who just want to kill themselve without burden others people around them.

    Be like Ricky he smoke, swear, grew weed, and go jail

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    I am of the opinion that suicide is very selfish. Whether chemical, or triggered by events it is one of the most cruel things you could do to your loved ones. In fact the only thing i could thing of that "excuses" this choice is someone who has a mental disability that prevents them from making day-to-day decisions in their life.


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    Suicide is the weakest and strongest solution to a problem. From my low amount of life experience of the real world, I noticed that these people who consider suicide tend to be the people who were molded to have a weak mindset, overreacts to situation, and have no goals. I wouldn't personally use suicide as an option for a solution to any problem for I have many goals yet to fulfill and many of those goals I know are unachievable but that's how and why I would never consider suicide.

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    I have throught of suicide once, but never act on it. I have no goals and lots of problems. However I understand that ending my life will do nothing. If I dies it is the end and nothing will change except that I will be gone from this world.

    Be like Ricky he smoke, swear, grew weed, and go jail

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