yeah we're talking about someone that knows how to defend themself, you can have a 200 attack defending hero, versus a 500attack attack hero, and if you keep the 5k defence going you will never lose anything besides a few melee units, and traps/abitis, this is nothing new to age2, it's always been like this in age1, and it's funny ppl think it's such a big deal, that proper layering in a 5k setup is so effective.