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    Okay. Stop. Please. Name calling, backhanded comments, spitefulness, the works. Every time you people get together on a thread instead of being constructive you reduce yourselves to petty bickering and insults.

    I really don't like handing out infractions, I really don't like closing threads. I want to be the cool mod that lulz at your jokes and enjoys debating tactics with you, but I can't be so long as this kind of behaviour continues.

    I know you guys don't like one another, I get it. You can not like someone and refrain from calling them ingrates, n00bs, worthless, pathetic, idiotic, etc. Let facts speak for themselves instead of "na na na na boo boos" or this thread too will close. Thanks for your time, I'll be leaving now.

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    JP doesn't know how to not troll a topic.

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    Sorry Angel, Can't help it when honestly is breaking the rules.

    We Just Victims a of troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Lord almighty so help me god all of you are going to follow my process from now on and still reply to this post with "pffff... I already knew THAT" or "Pfff... that's nothing new. Everyone already knows THAT." But whatever. I am not a hater. -removed-

    Remember, consistency is key....
    First, screw stars unless ALL of your workshop research is level 10. DO NOT burn your gems otherwise.
    "Aw man! But Japanpimp, that will take like, forever!!"
    Well, this is a long term game so suck it up and stay focused.
    After you [broke down and bought materials so you can] reach level 10 research on all workshop gear use the Auto Upgrade tool for the stars. Auto upgrade to 4 stars on every gear with delicate gems only.
    After everything is 4 stars, use the Auto Upgrade tool again. This time set it to upgrade to level 7 using flawless gems FROM level 5. There is a way to select that with the Auto Upgrade tool pull down menus. If you fail an upgrade the stars will fall to 4 or something, I forgot. Repeat the process until all stars are 7.

    Once all stars hit level 7 use the same Auto Upgrade tool and push all stars to 8. If you fail an upgrade it will reset you to 0. Repeat the process starting from the beginning with the delicate gems.

    Once all stars on every piece of gear are at 8, skip 9 and push them to 10. Again, use the Auto Upgrade tool. If you fail then repeat the process from the beginning with delicate gems.

    Once all stars are 10 use manual and push every gear star set to 11. You will get more than 50% of all your stars from 10 to 11. For the ones that fail repeat the process from the beginning.

    I did this process and was able to upgrade all my stars on every piece of gear from 0 to 11 in under an hour. And it was cool to see my name flash on the screen 9 times in 5 minutes when I manually went from 10 to 11. And I only used about 2,000 gems.

    The point is, upgrade stars in small steps and across the board. Be consistent. Never ever try to upgrade all the way up to 12 or 13 in one shot. You will burn more gems than god. You need to "paint" the star upgrades in "coats". First spray on a layer of all level 4 stars. Then spray on a layer of all level 7 stars. Etc....

    Now, some may argue that it does not matter how you upgrade the stars because percents are percents and numbers are numbers. Well, Evony is not a calculator. It does not work like that. If it did not matter then every battle you fight you could predict exact losses if you had all of the information. But we all know it does not work like that. For some reason my process is very effective. I don't know why. But it is.
    I don't get it... why didn't you say this in your first post on this thread and at least a lot of us wouldn't have been confused about what you were trying to get at... it was that simple... at least now I know what you meant by process, however this doesn't guarantee anything (although even I would do it this way) and doesn't really address what the OP was talking about, this belongs more in a new thread to be honest. You aren't addressing any of his math and it doesn't really go on topic to his simulations and averages nor his formulas.

    And addressing your last bit, leadership has been thrown in the mix and you don't know the enemy hero's intel/attack most of the times but yes there's a bit of variance to make things interesting, however none of us truly know whether the star system is 100% up to chance or there's a huge amount involved in the process.
    Last edited by killerwave7; 08-27-2010 at 12:35 PM.
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    Your math is faulty, in that it does not consider the effects of an unsuccessful star upgrade (where you can lose one or multiple star levels). However, I generally agree with your results from a practical perspective.

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    Why does everyone think you have to pay... 21 amulet spins a day, you are bound to get 1k cents eventually... Get a few of that and you have your gear.... Possible to farm tons of gems too.. Not likely to happens for many people but will for a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10SNE1 View Post
    Your math is faulty, in that it does not consider the effects of an unsuccessful star upgrade (where you can lose one or multiple star levels). However, I generally agree with your results from a practical perspective.
    um it does, read it carefully that it uses the success rate and averages things out, and read daveholmes' post as well somewhere in the 3rd-5th page (talks about his simulator), how else would it take over 2k flawless on average to get a lvl 15? of course he took it into account... read the very beginning of his post

    Quote Originally Posted by AeroAgg06 View Post
    Why does everyone think you have to pay... 21 amulet spins a day, you are bound to get 1k cents eventually... Get a few of that and you have your gear.... Possible to farm tons of gems too.. Not likely to happens for many people but will for a few.
    haha couldn't have said it better myself aeroagg, the only thing is how fast you can get prinz :P unless you're lucky enough to have a nice alliance
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeroAgg06 View Post
    Why does everyone think you have to pay... 21 amulet spins a day, you are bound to get 1k cents eventually... Get a few of that and you have your gear.... Possible to farm tons of gems too.. Not likely to happens for many people but will for a few.
    Pretty much true, i my self Haven't even really bother to get facebook gifts the last month, the task so tedious and for me not even necessary as i've stocked up quite a healthy amount of several different items, those players that actually don't mind spending 15min each day messing around with facebook will find they have an amazing amount of items.

    On Topic, these numbers are a mathematical AVERAGE, most players will not experience these, you find your results better or worse, simple because of they way the system works, I myself got very high stars very early with only several gems, that ended very fast trying the pursuit of Lv15 Stars, funny how it can all be reset quite easily.

    Its a Game of maths the more gems you have the higher you get, farming lv5-10 NPC you will get a Flawless every 4 run at minimum meaning that you need 4000 runs for 1000 Flawless gems, 10 cities, 80 heroes, active players could easy do 400 runs a day, I know when I had more time for evony i did even more farming runs.

    That if you can do a full farming fun 5 times daily for 1 month you will find you self with 3000 Flawless Gems, Which in all honestly is quite on track to the effort required for having powerful heroes in age1, the difference here is all your heroes are effected, the biggest advantage is that your Politics Heroes are quite amazing.

    These numbers are mathematically correct, and anyone that refuses to see that must not be educated in simple mathematics as to get these results requires no more then primary school education, so there is simply no need to disagree with these results.

    At this stage the only evidence we have to the effect of star levels if the simple number given to us by evony, and I can tell you personally as a player that has messed with stars a lot and has details from other players that at this point it seems as there are no factors in play.

    I would be welcomed to see proof, but otherwise it is simply a game of chance and odds, nothing more special.

    Obviously Given the Decreased chance with each incremental upgrade it common sense to upgrade all stars to level 12 first, however after that given the chance of success if equal it might be wise to simply try to focus on one to Lv15, However in the end the numbers are all the same, you can upgrade in any method you like, the numbers don't like and in the end your gem usage will be the same overall, its just about getting the most out of your stars on the journey to all Lv15 Stars.

    At this point I only know one player with 4 Lv15 Stars and all Lv14 Stars and from his results I can tell you 100% that after Lv13 it gets quite painful, and just because every star is Lv14 he is a world away from all Lv 15 Stars, however he hasn't failed one yet, but once it happens the gem numbers will just start to rise very fast and he as and smart person would not risk another star unless he has at least 2500 flawless gems.

    Take this how you want but in the end its all about farming, the numbers are useful to a estimate of what is required, I would personally suggest getting double that required of your goal before making risks once you reach Lv11 Stars.

    These are just my words of wisdom on topic, from a player very experienced in Star Levels from both his own experiences and those of his alliance, an alliance which holds the top 300 attack heroes on our server.

    Spawn.

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    wow, i don't check the forums for 3 days and this is what happens.


    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    And I am confident I can upgrade every gear from 11 to 12 stars with another 2,000 gems. And from 12-13 with another 2500 gems and 2500-3000 gems for each additional level up until 15.
    2,000 flawless gems sounds reasonable from the calculations i have shared

    if you multiply the average cost by 13 (for the 13 equipment) it totals aprox:

    1079DG abd 2886FG,

    and using all flawless gems will decrease the total number of gems needed by a lot, because it gives you a very high percent chance of sucess for the first 6-7 levels.

    and again keep in mind that this is just an average, results will vary from individual to individual. one person's experience will not make me wonder if my math is right and i will check out this simulator to see what i think
    Last edited by DarkhoundDave; 08-27-2010 at 04:39 PM.

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    Dang, I came too late for the argument :/ Anyways great guide, pretty informative if you ask me. +rep...

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