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    the simulator's code is very hard to read, but as far as i could tell doesn't have any errors. You could make the macro run a lot faster if you didn't keep updating the cells and used variables and arrays instead to store data until the end.

    and yes if you were to buy gems my way would not be most cost efficient.

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    But what is the point of using a calculator to buy gems the most efficient way if people just waste them on bad upgrade process?
    It's like saying "Hey guys! I was able to buy building materials for 50% less than market price!!"
    But because of your poor construction techniques you are very inefficient with the materials and actually use 3 times more materials than the average builder. So in the end you wound up spending far more on materials than the market price.
    You see, without an efficient process cheap materials mean nothing. You need both... cheap materials AND an efficient process.
    Thus, your guide is AT BEST only 50% complete. The whole other part (which is just as important but missing) is the upgrade process.

    But hey, if you guys want to waste gems, go for it. Good for Evony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    But what is the point of using a calculator to buy gems the most efficient way if people just waste them on bad upgrade process
    Tautology. A good process is one that is by definition efficient. This thread cogently argues for the most efficient use of gems.

    Your so-called "process" doesn't differ significantly from the process argued in this thread. If anything, it is likely to be slightly less efficient since the "auto-upgrader" uses 4 gems all the time. Yes, you can set it to use flawless after a certain point, but it will always use 4 gems nonetheless. Coincidently, most of the time, using 4 gems is the most efficient way to do things, except at levels 1-3 where using 1 D results in lower gem usage. This is of course why Dave keeps noting that the usage total that you report is in the ballpark of what his model predicts.

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    not really, i am actually giving a process japanpimp. I am showing the best way to use the gems you would get from looting. gems cost the same no matter what there is no discount on gems so i don't know where you are getting that from. the phrase cost efficient does not imply that you are getting your materials for less, it is using the materials you have in the most productive way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X~Calibur View Post
    Tautology. A good process is one that is by definition efficient. This thread cogently argues for the most efficient use of gems.

    Your so-called "process" doesn't differ significantly from the process argued in this thread. If anything, it is likely to be slightly less efficient since the "auto-upgrader" uses 4 gems all the time. Yes, you can set it to use flawless after a certain point, but it will always use 4 gems nonetheless. Coincidently, most of the time, using 4 gems is the most efficient way to do things, except at levels 1-3 where using 1 D results in lower gem usage. This is of course why Dave keeps noting that the usage total that you report is in the ballpark of what his model predicts.
    Actually, the process I posted is far different. I am saying to upgrade ALL gear at the same and in small increments and to only do so if all your gear is level 10. Among other things that made my process far different. You should re-read my post. And I am in no way putting mathmatical formulas into my findings because I base all my stuff on real world experience from the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkhoundDave View Post
    not really, i am actually giving a process japanpimp. I am showing the best way to use the gems you would get from looting. gems cost the same no matter what there is no discount on gems so i don't know where you are getting that from. the phrase cost efficient does not imply that you are getting your materials for less, it is using the materials you have in the most productive way.
    No Dave, you are not giving an upgrade process. You are giving "a mathematical analysis on the cheapest way to upgrade star levels."
    You did alot of work and I was impressed by your effort. But it simply cannot be done. This is impossible because the way you are calculating in the fail rate is wrong. It is much more dynamic than that. You guys are trying to apply a mathmatical formula to chance. It's like trying to develop a formula that will tell you the number of attempts it will take you to roll a 6 with dice and then rely on that formula.

    I am simply coming in here and saying, "Hey, I have been rolling dice for a while and I have found that if you hold the dice like this, and roll them so they travel between 30-40 centemiters then your chances of rolling a 6 are very high."

    My process is not a mathmatical formula. It is a process of "holding the dice a certain way and rolling them with a certain amount of force." Not a process of, "Roll the dice 6 times and your chances of rolling a 6 are 1 in 6." Sure, the math works. But that formula cannot and should not be used because we cannot make a formula for chance. On paper it looks great. But in the real world, you may fail 30 times in a row before you roll a 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Actually, the process I posted is far different. I am saying to upgrade ALL gear at the same and in small increments and to only do so if all your gear is level 10. Among other things that made my process far different. You should re-read my post. And I am in no way putting mathmatical formulas into my findings because I base all my stuff on real world experience from the game.
    Except that using that process has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on efficiency. It may be smarter from the standpoint of having good star levels all the time, but it isn't going to make the cost of the process any cheaper in terms of total gems used. And I am exactly clear on the fact that you don't use any mathematical formulas. In fact, that is precisely what is the problem. Experience can vary widely from player to player, which is also why it is an unreliable indicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X~Calibur View Post
    Except that using that process has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on efficiency. It may be smarter from the standpoint of having good star levels all the time, but it isn't going to make the cost of the process any cheaper in terms of total gems used. And I am exactly clear on the fact that you don't use any mathematical formulas. In fact, that is precisely what is the problem. Experience can vary widely from player to player, which is also why it is an unreliable indicator.
    Ok, if you see it that way. I have made my arguments against all of this. All the best and enjoy the game.

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    Hey JP is right. Math is just a made up idea that they force feed everyone growing up. It has no bearing in life nor an applicable purpose in any scenario.

    AND even if math were real, statistics and probabilities aren't math. So get out of here with your "reason" and just accept that since it happened for JP it is the right and only way!!!







    TBH "his" method is what most intelligent people will do in the sense of leveling up items at same time

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    break it up everyone

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    Whoever continues this argument over this guide will be red repped. There was already a warning by AA, best you listen to it.

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