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    This morning I sent a basic 100k scout bomb at a target of mine, nothing fancy, just to dump some honor and kill some archers. To wipe out a few more than normal I decided to send my main attack hero. I made sure, and just as I left him, 100 loyalty. Now, when the attack hit, bam, my hero is gone.

    This is really strange to me, 100 loyalty and everything, and gone after a loss on a scout bomb.

    Can anyone explain this to me? I'm not a fan of losing my main hero because of a fluke.
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    It's not a mistake.


    When you lose a battle, there is a chance your hero will be captured.
    It does not matter if you are the attacker or defender.


    100 - LOY + 5 = Percentage chance of loss
    A 100 Loyalty hero has a 5% chance of being cap'd.

    Basically, once the hero loses, their loyalty is 95. That's why there's a 5% chance of losing them.
    The formula is technically 100 - (LOY after fight) = % chance to capture.
    Last edited by Rota; 08-22-2010 at 10:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
    It's not a mistake.


    When you lose a battle, there is a chance your hero will be captured.
    It does not matter if you are the attacker or defender.


    100 - LOY + 5 = Percentage chance of loss
    A 100 Loyalty hero has a 5% chance of being cap'd.

    Basically, once the hero loses, their loyalty is 95. That's why there's a 5% chance of losing them.
    The formula is technically 100 - (LOY after fight) = % chance to capture.
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    Well that's awfully depressing. I wish I would have realized that earlier, I wouldn't have done it. All those excals put into him for nothing now. Seems a waste.

    By the way, how long has your avatar blinked Rota?
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    Fleurdelis made it for me a few days ago.
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    I like it. ^_^

    So, now that you answered this question, I have another.

    What are the odds I'd re-cap my hero from attacking him? I mean this guy is a knight, no chance of persuading my hero. So since loyalty remains at 0...?
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    You can't... yet.

    He has to recruit the hero, first. Then that hero has to be the largest attack so it will be auto-chosen to defend. Then that hero has to lose the battle. Then it's the same odds of the formula posted above. He'll probably up the loyalty to 100 if he recruits the hero. There's also no guarantee that he would keep the hero in the same city.


    The hero won't defend the city if it's sitting "captured," but not recruited. If it can't defend the city, it can't take part in the battle to be captured.


    edit: This actually happened to me just recently. Except I was the one who captured an attacking hero...

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    One of my server's is a lord I made just to goof off. I've spent no money, and put little effort into promotions and medal farming. A player thought he would pick on a weak guy and sent a massive assault against my low prestige single city.

    My compact defense defeated his onslaught, and I captured 5 heros in the process. He promptly sent me a mail apologizing and whining about losing his best attack hero. He told me to keep the other 4, but PLEASE return that uber hero. I replied to him that I did not have the rank to recruit the hero. Even if I had the rank, I did not have the justice medals it would require. In fact, I could not recruit ANY of the captured heros. I couldn't return them if I wanted to.

    He learned a hard lesson about being a bully. I could have warned him what would happen if he had bothered to show the common courtesy to send a "port or die" or "join or die" ultimatum a day before the attack. I know I show that courtesy to players with my bigger lords. Everyone deserves the chance to avoid a total wipe.
    Last edited by Rota; 08-22-2010 at 11:05 PM.
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    I've captured a hero that was unpersuaded in a city from an alliance mate, the odds of it happening I don't know.
    Last edited by kanosig; 08-23-2010 at 02:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanosig View Post
    I've captured a hero that was unpersuaded in a city from an alliance mate. I guarantee its possible though the odds I don't know.
    Were there no other heros in the city, or something odd? Did he send away his mayor and other heros?

    Maybe there's a mechanic I'm unaware of. But, as long as there's a hero to defend the city, I don't see how you can capture a hero that doesn't participate in the battle. That would definitely take some experimentation with two cooperating lords to figure out the logistics. I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but I am hesitant to accept that statement on it's face, without evidence. I've never heard of anyone capturing an unpersuaded hero before. Maybe your friend did persuade the hero after all and you're mistaken. But, hopefully, there's a different capture mechanic out there for unpersuaded heros. Hopefully someone with the time/energy/motivation will figure it out.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    Well I remember very well because I took his city to remove a red neighbor of his. The red lost his best attack hero in that city, something like 350 attack, and my alliance mate didn't see getting prinz any time soon so he didn't mind at all if it disappeared when I took it. I don't remember if anything else was in his city but I captured it, persuaded it, and was sure to attack the red with his own hero.

    Also I'm pretty sure at some point I've found my own spam heroes in other people's hall after capturing their city, haven't thought twice about it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanosig View Post
    Well I remember very well because I took his city to remove a red neighbor of his. The red lost his best attack hero in that city, something like 350 attack, and my alliance mate didn't see getting prinz any time soon so he didn't mind at all if it disappeared when I took it. I don't remember if anything else was in his city but I captured it, persuaded it, and was sure to attack the red with his own hero.

    Also I'm pretty sure at some point I've found my own spam heroes in other people's hall after capturing their city, haven't thought twice about it though.
    OH!! You got it by capturing the city!
    That makes total sense. I thought you were saying that you captured it from an battle.

    Yes, that's totally possible. When you capture a city, then you can capture a hero in the feast hall. Whether that hero is persuaded or not.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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