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    Default Your food bill

    Ok so their is alot of talk about how armies are to big or i dont want to farm yadda yadda what ever

    So lets look at it in real terms

    The average person eats 2lbs of food per day, 14lbs per week, etc. totaling 728lbs per year

    now lets look at your army, an match it in real time, the average person,(warrior) can move at an average pace of 1 mile in 10 minutes.,
    It takes a warrior 2 minutes and 30 seconds to move 1 mile, this is a ratio of 4/1 which means that evony is sped up at a pace of 4/1 meaning... a 24 hour day on evony is 6 hours,.....

    This means that evony days elapse in 1 of our days(getting complex just wait) this means that the evony year takes 91 days to complete which is 4 years for our 1 year.

    A warrior should consume 728lbs of food in 1 year, meaning his hourly consumption(yes im lookin for reality here) should be .08333,.

    Lets multiply that by 100k

    100k warriors should consume 8333 food per hour.

    now all humans consume the same average, an archer is no different from a warrior in that regard(again this is reality based) however it takes 2 ppl to build an archer, Why is this? because it takes 1 person to shoot the arrow and a page to carry the equipment,...so an archer consumes double what a warrior consumes and this makes perfect logical sense. So here are the numbers by unit(I will include seige and explain why later

    worker .0833 per hour
    warrior .0833 per hour
    scout .0833 per hour
    pike .0833 per hour
    sword .0833 per hour
    archer .1666 per hour
    cavalry .2499 per hour
    phract .4998 per hour
    porter .3332 per hour
    ballista .4165 per hour
    ram .833 per hour
    pult .6664 per hour

    ok their is your reality based hour consumption

    Now lets multiply those by 100 as a base number of units to use, i will round them up or down based on the .5 rule of basic math

    so here are those same numbers multiplied by our base of 100
    worker 8
    warrior 8
    scout 8
    pike 8
    sword 8( these were rounded down to 8 so we gain some food here)
    archer 17
    cav 25
    phract 50(these were rounded up so we loose some here
    porter 33(rounded down
    ballista 42(Up
    ram 83(Down
    pult 67(Up

    ok now here is where we come into evonys stuff, a lvl5 gives us 3 million lbs of food a lvl10 20million,..that is a huge harvest. The average farm in the 14th century barley produced enough to feed the pore wretches that farmed it. so lets get real, if a lvl5 in a average pesant farm and a lvl10 is say a plantation that is ruled by a lord then i would say the average harvest of the lvl5 should be about say, 100lbs of food, and the lvl10 1000lbs of food. Now on average you can harvest the land in these parts (game wise germanic areas) twice a year so you can get 200lbs of food from a lvl5 in 1 year(91 days) and 2000lbs of food from a lvl10

    now lets look at the average army of say a 7 mill prestige battle player(non farmer) we will say consumption of 10 mill an hour, so this is 240million lbs of food per day times 365 days = 87600000000lbs which is 4380 lvl10 hits per year now thats just effin nuts.

    so whats the solution? lets make the game realistic. I am a lord, I have my kingdom which i rule over, my kingdom includes lands which my people farm, forrest where my people hunt. plains where my people herd, etc. In this time frame if I am mustering a army of 100k soilders I am a GOD!! So ok your lands you can harvest, the harvests you must stack so that you can be bringing in food somewhat regularly, you must protect your land from intruders who wish to take what you have...

    This is the start of a new game perhaps?? the math is solid, evonys battle mechs are crazy but thats for another post. I can elaborate more on this but I want to see where it goes

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    Who ever said that 1 "unit" of food was 1 pound?
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Its relative.
    Last edited by TCWNME; 09-02-2010 at 11:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    Its relative.
    You are exactly right... it's relative.

    1) You can just think of "capacity" as weight if you wish. One unit of food is X ounces of food.
    2) You can just think of "capacity" as volume if you wish. One unit of food is X cubic inches of food.
    3) You can just think of "capacity" as area if you wish. One unit of food takes up X square inches of space on a transport cart.

    Whether it's area, volume, or weight, the number that "capacity" represents has been figured to balance the game as the designers wish it to be. If you're goal is to lower the food price of upkeep, then just ask for that.
    Last edited by Rota; 09-03-2010 at 12:25 AM.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    the goal of this post is to address nothing more than my own opinions on food consumption in the game, we all know evony got food consumption way off, but then they got a lot of stuff way off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    the goal of this post is to address nothing more than my own opinions on food consumption in the game, we all know evony got food consumption way off, but then they got a lot of stuff way off.
    A lot of things are way off if you define them in terms that would make them seem way off. The traps/abatis set the starting range at 5k. If I consider 5k to be 5k feet, then the battle starts at almost a mile. That means the battle starts at the door of the neighboring city since each tile on the map is 1 mile apart. The fact remains that Evony has never defined what a range "unit" is. It might be 1 foot or 4 inches or 8 inches or whatever. But, the range values of each unit are assigned for the balance Evony wants.
    Last edited by Rota; 09-03-2010 at 12:00 AM.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    Please do not insult other forum members while trying to make your point.

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    my relative term is spot on for food, for 5k we understand that to be a pace we use our head to determine realistic relative terminology and as far as traps and abatis go, they would never start a battle at 5k traps and abatis would be found at 0 to 100 to clog up people at the base of the castle wall, and poines would never be used to take a caslte

    i didnt insult anyone

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    So you are trying to add logic to an online game?
    The devolpers came up with the costs associated based on how they wanted the game to be balanced.
    They expected players to build up to millions of units, then burn through them.
    Not to keep them and farm NPCs
    The whole system they came up with was thrown off by the players ingenuity and aptitude to look for the ways around the "limit" of food consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    my relative term is spot on for food, for 5k we understand that to be a pace we use our head to determine realistic relative terminology and as far as traps and abatis go, they would never start a battle at 5k traps and abatis would be found at 0 to 100 to clog up people at the base of the castle wall, and poines would never be used to take a caslte

    i didnt insult anyone
    Your saying 1 "range" is a pace? That's just over 2 feet, generally. So you're saying the Longbowmen archers have a BASE range of over 2500 feet. If you add level 10 tech, then the range is almost 4k feet. There are guns without that kind of range.

    You can assign values to all of Evony's vague "units" to make them seem unreasonable. But, you can also use hindsight to make the arbitrary "unit" numbers make sense. A warrior eats 3 food an hour, so he eats 72 "units" per day. You say that the average person eats 2 lbs a day, which is 32 ounces. We can say that one "unit" of food is approximately .45 ounces. Then the number makes sense for you. We can do this same retro-engineering for every "unit" value if you need them to have label that makes sense for you.

    Personally, I'm content to let all the labels just be vague "units" whose values have been determined for the balance Evony wants.


    He's right TC... I'm looking at the previous posts, and I see no insult.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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