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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    the goal of this post is to address nothing more than my own opinions on food consumption in the game, we all know evony got food consumption way off, but then they got a lot of stuff way off.
    um did i not say that already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    a 7 mill prestige battle player(non farmer) we will say consumption of 10 mill an hour, so this is 240million lbs of food per day times 365 days = 87600000000lbs which is 4380 lvl10 hits per year now thats just effin nuts.
    Just wanting to chime in here for a second. 4,380 hits on level 10's over the course of an entire year really isn't that much. It's only 12 a day. That's a few minutes worth of work, at most, for a lot of people.

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    multiply that by 8 cities, then multiply that by the increase in troops for a war city, then multiply that by the larger cities, the food is crazy, also consider the food to march, and build. Also consider the troops lost in hitting a 10 at 5k average archers plus fodder.

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    stop trying to p*ssy foot around it and just say what you mean
    you are asking for a lower food bill because you dont want to farm npcs/players

    as was already said you dont know what 1 unit represents.
    you assume 1 unit of food is 1 lbs but where did you get that from exactly?

    the only argument you can make here is that the RATIOS of food required is not realistic
    as for the unit values all the devs need to do is say "oh but 1 unit = x lbs of food, not 1 lbs"

    and as for the ratios you assume that every person eats the same amount of food.
    if the unit takes 2 people (population) then you double the consumption required, ect.

    well... don't you think that a warrior fighting in battle might eat more than a worker farming his fields?
    did you take into account that cavalry need to feed people and horses
    what about the fact that cataphracts not only take more "population" but the horses are carrying all the armor thus will be eating more food

    at the end of the day your argument that 1 unit=1lbs is something you came up with just the purpose of giving you some way to argue the fact that you want your army to cost less food
    as for the ratios, you assume that every person in the world eats the same amount of food... again a flawed assumption

    at the end of the day this is a GAME and the ratios and #s were chosen to serve the game and not give a realistic representation of real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    now all humans consume the same average, an archer is no different from a warrior in that regard(again this is reality based) however it takes 2 ppl to build an archer, Why is this? because it takes 1 person to shoot the arrow and a page to carry the equipment,
    This would be historically inaccurate. French crossbowmen did not have pages to carry equipment. Neither did English longbowmen.

    Troop dynamics in Evony do not match reality whatsoever. It's a game, it isn't designed to be historically accurate.

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    true there, every player plays to thier own limits.
    either they want a big army and farm, or they have an army restricted to the size that they can feed without farming.
    you cant have a huge army without making sacrifices, and you cant have a small army and survive.
    if you are a *lord* you make sure you keep your army fed either by farming, or keeping to what the city can afford to keep. either or, you cant have both in a neat package mate.
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    The basic flaw of Olric's argument is that he tries to relate it to reality or to be strict aboput it, in real terms. Let's just take the extreme example, porting never was real. Nor the hero appearing instantly in your city after it lost a battle. Now how do we explain that in real terms?

    I have always disliked the way evony was designed with units that were never defined truly defined. BUT in not defining things, therein lies the strength of the design - it can be molded and made to mean whatever the designer wants it to be. Selfish? Yeah, but flexible and unrestricted? yes. If you are a designer, the last thing you want is to get boxed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    Ok so their is alot of talk about how armies are to big or i dont want to farm yadda yadda what ever

    So lets look at it in real terms

    The average person eats 2lbs of food per day, 14lbs per week, etc. totaling 728lbs per year

    now lets look at your army, an match it in real time, the average person,(warrior) can move at an average pace of 1 mile in 10 minutes.,
    It takes a warrior 2 minutes and 30 seconds to move 1 mile, this is a ratio of 4/1 which means that evony is sped up at a pace of 4/1 meaning... a 24 hour day on evony is 6 hours,.....

    This means that evony days elapse in 1 of our days(getting complex just wait) this means that the evony year takes 91 days to complete which is 4 years for our 1 year.

    A warrior should consume 728lbs of food in 1 year, meaning his hourly consumption(yes im lookin for reality here) should be .08333,.

    Lets multiply that by 100k

    100k warriors should consume 8333 food per hour.

    now all humans consume the same average, an archer is no different from a warrior in that regard(again this is reality based) however it takes 2 ppl to build an archer, Why is this? because it takes 1 person to shoot the arrow and a page to carry the equipment,...so an archer consumes double what a warrior consumes and this makes perfect logical sense. So here are the numbers by unit(I will include seige and explain why later

    worker .0833 per hour
    warrior .0833 per hour
    scout .0833 per hour
    pike .0833 per hour
    sword .0833 per hour
    archer .1666 per hour
    cavalry .2499 per hour
    phract .4998 per hour
    porter .3332 per hour
    ballista .4165 per hour
    ram .833 per hour
    pult .6664 per hour

    ok their is your reality based hour consumption

    Now lets multiply those by 100 as a base number of units to use, i will round them up or down based on the .5 rule of basic math

    so here are those same numbers multiplied by our base of 100
    worker 8
    warrior 8
    scout 8
    pike 8
    sword 8( these were rounded down to 8 so we gain some food here)
    archer 17
    cav 25
    phract 50(these were rounded up so we loose some here
    porter 33(rounded down
    ballista 42(Up
    ram 83(Down
    pult 67(Up

    ok now here is where we come into evonys stuff, a lvl5 gives us 3 million lbs of food a lvl10 20million,..that is a huge harvest. The average farm in the 14th century barley produced enough to feed the pore wretches that farmed it. so lets get real, if a lvl5 in a average pesant farm and a lvl10 is say a plantation that is ruled by a lord then i would say the average harvest of the lvl5 should be about say, 100lbs of food, and the lvl10 1000lbs of food. Now on average you can harvest the land in these parts (game wise germanic areas) twice a year so you can get 200lbs of food from a lvl5 in 1 year(91 days) and 2000lbs of food from a lvl10

    now lets look at the average army of say a 7 mill prestige battle player(non farmer) we will say consumption of 10 mill an hour, so this is 240million lbs of food per day times 365 days = 87600000000lbs which is 4380 lvl10 hits per year now thats just effin nuts.

    so whats the solution? lets make the game realistic. I am a lord, I have my kingdom which i rule over, my kingdom includes lands which my people farm, forrest where my people hunt. plains where my people herd, etc. In this time frame if I am mustering a army of 100k soilders I am a GOD!! So ok your lands you can harvest, the harvests you must stack so that you can be bringing in food somewhat regularly, you must protect your land from intruders who wish to take what you have...

    This is the start of a new game perhaps?? the math is solid, evonys battle mechs are crazy but thats for another post. I can elaborate more on this but I want to see where it goes
    who said troops dont eat rice, so you get 3million grains of rice per lvl5 npc i doubt a warrior eats less then 1 grain of rice an hour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadan View Post
    stop trying to p*ssy foot around it and just say what you mean
    you are asking for a lower food bill because you dont want to farm npcs/players
    Untrue, I am not asking for anything, I am addressing a point that is appearing more and more often in the forum


    as was already said you dont know what 1 unit represents.
    you assume 1 unit of food is 1 lbs but where did you get that from exactly?
    I made 1 = 1lb after reserching the normal consumption of humans

    the only argument you can make here is that the RATIOS of food required is not realistic
    as for the unit values all the devs need to do is say "oh but 1 unit = x lbs of food, not 1 lbs"
    if 1 unit ='s say 5lbs then the math is way off.

    and as for the ratios you assume that every person eats the same amount of food.
    if the unit takes 2 people (population) then you double the consumption required, ect.

    well... don't you think that a warrior fighting in battle might eat more than a worker farming his fields?
    Yes this is true but is accounted for in the food required to march your troops into battle
    did you take into account that cavalry need to feed people and horses
    what about the fact that cataphracts not only take more "population" but the horses are carrying all the armor thus will be eating more food
    Yes I did, however Phract do not walk around a pasture with armor on

    at the end of the day your argument that 1 unit=1lbs is something you came up with just the purpose of giving you some way to argue the fact that you want your army to cost less food
    as for the ratios, you assume that every person in the world eats the same amount of food... again a flawed assumption
    All original arguments are inherantly flawed, but as usual instead of people attempting to mold an idea, you are bitter that you dont have original thoughts of your own, As for my food ratio, it is a historically accurate number based on reserch made by many scientific organizations in an effort to judge the food consumption arc over the years

    at the end of the day this is a GAME and the ratios and #s were chosen to serve the game and not give a realistic representation of real life.
    Quote Originally Posted by TentPig View Post
    This would be historically inaccurate. French crossbowmen did not have pages to carry equipment. Neither did English longbowmen.

    Troop dynamics in Evony do not match reality whatsoever. It's a game, it isn't designed to be historically accurate.
    In fact english crossbowmen began to bring pages with them after the defeat of the english at lorenze, Evony troops are a mixture or many different units from many different eras, however for the purposes of my argument evony has deamed that archers cost 2 population per unit.

    How about refining the argument instead of bashing it, or is evony not only populated by make belive troops but also human operaters with the mentality of barbarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olric View Post
    Untrue, I am not asking for anything, I am addressing a point that is appearing more and more often in the forum
    the point you're trying to make is what exactly? youre not arguing that the ratio of consumption is inaccurate you're arguing that the rate of consumption is inaccurate.
    you've based this argument on the assumption that 1 unit of food = 1 lbs of food... an assumption you came up with solely to give you a way to argue the rate of consumption
    at the end of the day you're asking for a lower consumption rate, you want your troops to eat less food


    I made 1 = 1lb after reserching the normal consumption of humans
    EXACTLY you MADE 1 unit = 1lb because you realize that based on the normal consumption of humans using that scale would make evony's numbers inaccurate thus giving you an argument to have them lower consumption rates
    well... what if i decide to "make" 1 unit = 1 centigram
    hmm... i think evony should increase consumption rates to make them more historically accurate. EVONY MAKE MY TROOPS EAT MORE FOOD!!!


    if 1 unit ='s say 5lbs then the math is way off.
    ok, say 1 unit ='s say .0001 lbs, what then?

    Yes this is true but is accounted for in the food required to march your troops into battle
    Actually shows how much you know about this game... the "march consumption" is actually something that is off because it doesn't take into account the true march time (techs, relief station, ect) so youre troops are actually eating way more than they should

    Yes I did, however Phract do not walk around a pasture with armor on
    what about when they're training?

    All original arguments are inherantly flawed, but as usual instead of people attempting to mold an idea, you are bitter that you dont have original thoughts of your own, As for my food ratio, it is a historically accurate number based on reserch made by many scientific organizations in an effort to judge the food consumption arc over the years
    thank you for admitting your arguments are flawed, can we move on now?
    im not bitter at all. your food ratio is not a "historically accurate number". the only number that has any research behind it is that the average human will eat 2lbs of food/day. the ratio is something you pulled out of your rear-end. the ratio of 1 unit : 1 lbs is not a "historically accurate number" so don't try to make that claim
    also please refer to my last comment...

    at the end of the day this is a GAME and the ratios and #s were chosen to serve the game and not give a realistic representation of real life.

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