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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveV View Post
    I was too entranched over the whole "naked archers to get trade fire" thing theory.
    Which is a great theory when Sword/Cav/Ram is involved =P


    Quote Originally Posted by DaveV View Post
    Plus not many guides talk about the 14 pike combo (except spawn's, and he uses 3 layers which would archive only partial trade fire)..
    X-caliburs guide shows that the ideas are basically the same for 12-18, just requires more repitition of some of the waves

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    Woldere's 2nd post in his guide: warrior+swordsman

    Spawn put up his simple level 14 guide after Woldere posted his guide, and built off of the warrior+swordsman layering to make it very simple for those who couldn't bother themselves to do the ideal layer calculations. (so it also uses warrior+swordsman) That's the brilliance of Spawn's guide, it targets that less serious audience and makes it easy for them.


    Edit: also a good point, Aero.
    Last edited by X~Calibur; 09-11-2010 at 10:41 PM.

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    archery and walls really dont effect rams range?
    Quote Originally Posted by evony product manager regarding cheaters
    I don't think dealing harshly with them is going to help the future of the game, or the revenue. (Since in many respects revenue is an important factor for every business.)

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    i've been told no with snide remarks before, but i asked the question as well

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    I've been messing with this great tool for a bit and been trying to find a combination that would take out or damage the 92.5k pults in a 16. and it seem that most of them are wipe even before getting in range. (even 150k layers ballistas wave). Am I missing some assumption of the calculator? or have made a some kind of mistake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tieungu14 View Post
    I've been messing with this great tool for a bit and been trying to find a combination that would take out or damage the 92.5k pults in a 16. and it seem that most of them are wipe even before getting in range. (even 150k layers ballistas wave). Am I missing some assumption of the calculator? or have made a some kind of mistake?
    No, you are correct. In my own guide, I comment on the range bonus for the catapults. They have a base range of 1500, the tech and wall bonus almost but not quite doubles that.

    Ballista with tech upgrades have a range of 2100, and move 150 per round. So they'd have to move almost 6 turns to get into range.

    Archers have a range of 1800 and move 500 per round, so they have to move 2 rounds.

    This is why we think they only real way to do this (at least the cheapest), is to scout bomb them down.

    Even cataphracts will have to take 3 shots (2.5modifier) before they come into range, which means that against Atlantis or a 16, they are likely chewed up before they get there. You might, and I stress might, be able to send a heavy cav layer, with a Cataphract core, and 1k archers at the point where you've scout bombed 3/4 of the phracts, but then the scouts are still probably cheaper and more timely to build.

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    That's Really the Brilliance of the new HC Combos but, the Catapults make it harsh to over estimate things, previously you overestimate it knowing that good chance you might get waves to return, however this isn't the case when dealing with catapults, anything extra is simply smashed on the catapults for no reason.

    For HC players will be using 2-3.5M Scouts depending on attack and for Atlantis 4.5M-6M , which is a healthy chuck of extra troops but not many really, the extra heroes required is more of the pain really, and of course the fact that any overestimation on previous phases will give you no benefit to this one.

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    Wow... they are really "balancing" the game out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tieungu14 View Post
    Wow... they are really "balancing" the game out.
    Not really balancing, just making it take longer to build the troops required to take an historic city.

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    Can someone explain this?

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