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    I've been looking at a lot of threads with people defending with compact defence, people breaking through compact defence etc. But I've never been 100% sure of what it is. Pretty much all I know is its usually a high number of archers followed by many layers... lol. So what is compact defence? Please leave some comments and explain it to me.

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    Moved to H&Q.

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    It's a pure AT defense, without any 5000 range wall def (traps and abatis).

    When you get attacked, while having traps or abatis, they fire off right at the beginning and your swords, pikes, etc. all start running out to meet the attackers. This of course gets all those meatshields killed one by one until the attacker dies.

    With a compact defense, battle starts at a closer range instead of 5000 out, so your meatshields don't have much time to get a running start... this keeps them tucked inside and (mostly) alive. Your AT's will generally draw aggro first, layered archer waves attacking you will take out some AT's and then go splat.

    Assuming you have enough meatshields, scout bombs will be unable to affect your archers and in a compact defense will stay alive continuing to keep your archers bomb proof. The drawback, and every defense has one, is horse attacks. Compact defense has no abatis, so it gets eaten alive by well placed cav/phract hits.

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    Could we potentially have a screenshot or a scout of what a Compact Defense looks like?

    Everything is so much easier if we have pictures to follow, in my opinion.

    Thanks in advance should you post a picture, as it will also help me
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    Go to your walls, remove everything but AT's, and screenshot

    There is no set formula of how much of anything to have to make it a compact defense... to make it *successful* though you need enough archers that they'll squish any attacker while it's suiciding against your AT's (a couple hundred thousand will not do) and you need enough of some meatshield type.. swords, warriors, pikes... that it will get scout bombed instead of your archers.

    Sorry I can't get you a screenie, as I won't use it myself. I've seen what a cav hit does to those poor archers when they have no abatis

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    Screen shot:


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    I know I'm retired, but Compact D is what I was using before I quit.

    Basically what the above posters are saying is correct with one flaw. You do not need a large amount of archers. I forget the exact Hero attack level, but 250k archers is more than enough to kill most attacks within just a few rounds. With a higher attack hero, less archers are needed.

    The most important thing to remember about thisd defense, is that you need at the very least, 1.2 Swordsmen for every archer you have. With this setup all scoutbombs will hit the swords instead of the archers. Instead of losing 15-25k archers per SB, you'll lose 4-6k Swords.

    In my smaller cities, what I used for troops was this:
    100-150k archers.
    300k Swords.
    Enough Ballista for farming.
    Small layers of other troops.

    The general concept of Compact D is to have a small force in your town that can hold off a much larger attack without having to be online. There are many ways to defeat it, but to the average player, it will be a very big frustration for them when they kill less than 6k swords per SB, and their 100k archer waves kill a couple thousand ATs and a few sword.
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    It is also good to have a second layer to protect your archers, like warriors. I believe its 5:1? I'd look it up to be sure, but Im at work and cannot access most evony sites and resources.

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    Quite honestly, if you have a large number of Swords to protect your archers, there almost isn't a need for large numbers of other troops for defense as long as you keep even 1 AT up.

    While you have at least 1 AT alive, enemy archers will attack that first, allowing your archers to take out theirs in 1 round and have no losses. The only swords you will lose will be to their layers, and that will be minimal.

    Once all of your ATs are gone, then ther enemy archers attack yours and thats when you start getting larger losses.

    For about 3 weeks straight I had someone attacking me every day, and the biggest losses I had were less than 10k swords a day with healing. I rarely had more than 2k ATs at any 1 time, but they were only needed as targets for the enemy archers and didn't really provide much more then that.
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    I just meant as far as SBs go. If the sword are the only thing providing a barrier from SBs, then once those are down your Arch are once again vulnerable. If you have a second layer with a higher total atk value you're just that much more protected in case your offline and you have 3-4 people hitting you at once.

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