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    Yes, I did read the entire post. That post a was copy and paste of a post I made the other day, and I am too lazy to edit it to match your situation 100%. I know that you don't have have to download anything, hence why I said scan your comp before saying anything about 3rd party softwares. However, your 9 our of 10 people ratio is far off and most come from softwares or clicks.

    I am merely trying to help you, your friend, or anyone else who reads that post out. I have a lot of experience in Cyber Security and have no problems sharing info to help others. If you feel like taking offense to any advise given here, why even start the topic? We can't bring back your friends account and like others have said Evony uses their Help Center for these types of things.

    EDIT: btw, thanks appendy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrenb209 View Post
    Look. to get one key logger on to one guy through evony is impossible.

    it would infect every computer that either A. talked to them, or B said something in WC, OR C Whispered them. you can't be specific without knowing ones IP.

    another way for people to pass a key logger on, is through out of game connections, is to infect a web page. you cannot load a key logger directly onto a computer without it being downloaded automatically in a download, or uploaded to your computer via a mass thing. Like I said, can't be specific without the IP
    I am not suggesting that it has been placed onto evony...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncrowned Guard View Post
    Yes, I did read the entire post. That post a was copy and paste of a post I made the other day, and I am too lazy to edit it to match your situation 100%. I know that you don't have have to download anything, hence why I said scan your comp before saying anything about 3rd party softwares. However, your 9 our of 10 people ratio is far off and most come from softwares or clicks.

    I am merely trying to help you, your friend, or anyone else who reads that post out. I have a lot of experience in Cyber Security and have no problems sharing info to help others. If you feel like taking offense to any advise given here, why even start the topic? We can't bring back your friends account and like others have said Evony uses their Help Center for these types of things.

    EDIT: btw, thanks appendy.
    I know the 9/10 was way out, was the first number that came to my head at the time, 3/10 is probably closer, and the reason for starting this is to basically see if other players have been in this situation recently and see if they have had t resolved or not
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    Ok, now I can see where you are going with this. I have seen many of these types of topics, but never an official statement by Evony about the issues. Also, I have never seen the author come back and stay if it was fixed or not. So for the most part, I have no idea lol.

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    Now I remember why I stay off the forums.

    Wether or not folks can agree what a Hacker is or not, is a moot point. The individual was "Hacked", there is'nt a argument on that, its a fact. Only the means of the "Hack" can be argued, which is NOT the point of the thread.

    The point of the thread it is a EASY fix by Evony. The utilization of the "Security Questions" to verify the Real owner, then reset to the time the account was "Hacked".

    Done, Fair, and Easy. This game isnt Rocket Science or massive Code, graphics that it would cause any internal issues. Even MOST games that do have massive Code, Graphics, game Economies etc., can and do fix accounts that are Hacked. I guess the biggest differences is actual Live Customer Support. Not computer generated Replies.

    All I have seen on this thread, is why it is the individuals fault he got "Hacked". If you think Evony hasnt been Hacked many times you are EXTREMELY naive. I agree, I dont understand why they wouldnt do something more damaging than, screw this individual over royally, but then again, I dont understand a Hackers mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilShadows View Post
    Now I remember why I stay off the forums.

    Wether or not folks can agree what a Hacker is or not, is a moot point. The individual was "Hacked", there is'nt a argument on that, its a fact. Only the means of the "Hack" can be argued, which is NOT the point of the thread.

    The point of the thread it is a EASY fix by Evony. The utilization of the "Security Questions" to verify the Real owner, then reset to the time the account was "Hacked".

    Done, Fair, and Easy. This game isnt Rocket Science or massive Code, graphics that it would cause any internal issues. Even MOST games that do have massive Code, Graphics, game Economies etc., can and do fix accounts that are Hacked. I guess the biggest differences is actual Live Customer Support. Not computer generated Replies.

    All I have seen on this thread, is why it is the individuals fault he got "Hacked". If you think Evony hasnt been Hacked many times you are EXTREMELY naive. I agree, I dont understand why they wouldnt do something more damaging than, screw this individual over royally, but then again, I dont understand a Hackers mentality.
    Well, I don't doubt that people have been able to hack into Evony, but if that was the case, I would hope that Evony would do everything in their power to fix the problem, restore the players affected, and at least release something that gives a reason even if it is a lie. Why I said it was far fetched was because the goal is questionable, Evony did nothing, and 99.9% of the time someone says they got hacked... they were not. (At least if you view Hacking and Cracking as two different things.)

    Also, in no way do I doubt what you said about it being an "easy fix". However, I do think that there is much more to a issue like thing then means the eye. The number 1 issue would be taking advantage of it. (e.g. You lose your cities.... so you reset your account and call it a hacking) I know there are ways to look at the players logs and such (well i hope), but that is a lot of work and at least to me, a lot of work does not equal an easy fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncrowned Guard View Post
    Well, I don't doubt that people have been able to hack into Evony, but if that was the case, I would hope that Evony would do everything in their power to fix the problem, restore the players affected, and at least release something that gives a reason even if it is a lie. Why I said it was far fetched was because the goal is questionable, Evony did nothing, and 99.9% of the time someone says they got hacked... they were not. (At least if you view Hacking and Cracking as two different things.)

    Also, in no way do I doubt what you said about it being an "easy fix". However, I do think that there is much more to a issue like thing then means the eye. The number 1 issue would be taking advantage of it. (e.g. You lose your cities.... so you reset your account and call it a hacking) I know there are ways to look at the players logs and such (well i hope), but that is a lot of work and at least to me, a lot of work does not equal an easy fix.
    There where no troops lost, no heroes no citys, he was in the middle of getting a city off one of our members at the time of this happening.

    I know that people do this and claim hack when they lose more than that can afford in troops or a city ect, but in this matter it isnt the case
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    There are very few ways that someone's account here could be "hacked" in an involuntary manner...

    1) Keylogger: Semi-involuntary, as it still requires the victim to install software on their computer.

    2) Phishing: Sites that claim to give rewards and ask for input of account login information. Again, semi-involuntary.

    3) WiFi packet sniffing / Man-in-the-Middle / Man-in-the-Browser: This comes with a HUGE caveat in that passwords are not sent as clear-text, but are encrypted with a one-way hash, either MD5, SHA-1, or a combination of both. Getting the password from this would require processing power and the use of what's called "Rainbow Tables". Google it for further explanation.

    4) Use of a proxy server, where the proxy server's owner is recording all traffic flowing through it. Even if this happens, the same one-way hash and Rainbow Table method would be required. Even if this were the case, I'm sure there'd be much more interesting bits of data than an Evony account/password, such as bank account information, corporate trade secrets, corporate logins, etc...

    The plain fact of the matter is that the most likely way anyone has their Evony account "hacked" is that the person simply gave their email address and password to someone so that their account could be "watched" while they were offline. The whole "security code" thing is just as easily given to someone that has been designated as the account watcher... Secondary to that would be keylogging or phishing.

    So, the question becomes, is Evony responsible for someone else's poor judgement? I don't think they should be. The "victim" (the person who has now had their account reset) tried to gain an advantage, and may have had an advantage for a period of time, but such rewards carry risk. Sometimes that risk will catch up with people, and they will have learned they made a wrong choice about who they deemed trustworthy.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 09-29-2010 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckles View Post
    hacking is almost always 100% the fault of the hacked. and the hacker taking advantage of an opportunity.
    In the case of this particular game, you're absolutely correct. It's called "Social Engineering" / "Confidence Trick". The "hacker" convinces the victim that they have a legitimate reason to need to victims login information. It might not start out as an intent to reset the account. The initial offer to help watch the person's account while the victim is offline may start out as genuine, but the "hacker" may have been made mad, and thus turn on the victim out of spite / anger.

    At any rate, it's very unlikely that there are any actual hacking scenarios, because they'd affect far more people than just one here and one there... The only one out of the group I just listed I'd give any real significant risk of happening is the WiFi sniffing. Even still, someone would likely find much more interesting data on an unencrypted wireless network than an Evony account and password...

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    Seems that people are blind nower days, maybe if this happened to one of you, then you may open your eyes and see the whole picture instead of looking at the blank piece of paper in front of you. As I said this person has done this before, the first time with 29k archer towers and a few times after that by taking other people accounts....ffs, now I know why I dont bother with the forums
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