Higher dimmensions and parallel universes.

[Oss Spy]

This is theoretical. I don't have the math to back this up

If any of you have taken an elementary school math class you'll know about length, width, height.

If you've finished the courses for high school math you'll know how to make two dimensions (length and width) and make numerous relations with them, and limited relations with three dimensions.

If you've taken a look around you lately you'll notice three spatial (space) dimensions and time.

What if, however, we throw in another dimension? What would it be? What would we call it? What lies in it? Better yet, what the hell would it look like?

For the sake of argument let's assume there are four dimensions but we can only percieve three. This is natural; how can we possibly understand it? It would be like telling a square he doesn't have to go up, down, right, or left to get around an obstical and he can merely walk beside it. A two dimensional figure could never possibly comprehend another dimension. The same follows with us: How can we possibly understand another way to move through space?

Let's start with a fold out. Think of a square: if you fold out its sides, then you're left with four lines. If you fold out a cube, then you'll have six squares. If you unfold a hypercube (a 4-dimensional cube) you will have numerous cubes. No matter how hard you try, you'll never be able to picture the fourth dimension, just like a square will never be able to imagine, no matter how you explain it, a third dimension.

Why can't we see it? Why can't we experience it? This is where the knowledge of a graph comes in. You can have three (x,y,z) coordinates at most, which means you can at most have three axes (plural of axis, pronounced like axees.) What makes multiple axes? Notice what the X axis and the Y axis have when they cross- a ninety degree angle. If the Z axis intersects both of them it will also create a ninety degree angle. Each axis will always be perpendicular to another. Try as you might, you can only have three axes because if you add in a fourth you won't have a perpendicular line that intersects the other three at the same time.

Anybody with any knowledge of imaginary numbers will tell you that you can't graph them (an imaginary number is an even root of a negative number, such as the square root of negative one or the forth root of negative twelve) with a graphing calculator. Most calculators can't even proccess imaginary numbers, and graphing calculators have a special setting one must use to have them as an answer. Returning the the imaginary graph, what if the graph of an imaginary number represents a higher dimension? Would this not explain why we can't experience it? The answer, of course, is yes! We cannot graph imaginary numbers, with our three axes, and are unable to see a higher dimension in space.

If you haven't caught on at this point, I'm saying that imaginary axes (axes that have intervals of imaginary numbers instead of real numbers) are the axes of higher dimensions. Since imaginary numbers always come in pairs (thanks to the quadratic formula), math says we could have a total of five dimensions. However, this is where human reason comes in. If there are three "real" dimensions, could there not be three imaginary dimensions?

Think for a second. Three imaginary dimensions with imaginary matter in an imaginary universe. This sounds suspiciously like a parallel universe, does it not? Quite literally, and imaginary universe could lie on the same plane as our real but we would never be able to interact because we are parallel, and that we are imaginaries of each other (we are their imaginary universe and they are ours.) However, all parallel functions have something in common- an axis. One of these is time; a property of anything that exists.

That's one axis down (where our universes are lines on the graph) with one to go. There must be one other axis for anything to be parallel to something else. What is this other axis? It is something that governs both everything that could possibly exist. However, we will never know what this is without going to another universe. Anyone will tell you this is impossible- in order to cross over, the unierses must cross paths, and this is impossible since they are parallel! The only way to be able to get into the other universe and still have them both parallel is to leave our universe, cross the infinite emptiness of the plane, and enter the other universe. Possible? Maybe. Will we ever know? Probably not.

[ArcAttack]

Mind = Blown
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What if, because we cannot touch, see, hear, or taste certain things in our dimension (Such as a soul, conscience, love, hate etc..) they are physical forms in the other alter reality.. and such with theirs. What they cannot see, feel, hear or taste, would be what we can and vice versa. So time would be physical, but say our bodies would be imaginary.

The "beings" populating the other dimension would have sadness, fear, love, consciense's and their soul visible, while their bodies and (our physical personas) would be imaginary.

If there was a God, he would live in this other dimension, because we cannot see, hear, or feel him in any way. Therefore could the other dimensions be Hell and Heaven?

Heaven can be percieved as spiritual bliss with NO BODIES, same with Hell, which is spiritual pain and agony. Things that we cannot see!

Man i think im going to have a headache

[6batboy]

Mind = Blown
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same here. Reading something like this really makes you think.

[Oss Spy]

I know exactly how you feel!

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Edit: You posted the same time I did >.>

How can we ever know? If I'm right (that is, if we can never interact with them) they will be negligible to us and us to them. It will be impossible to say otherwise since we have no way of meeting (or even knowing about) one another. Heaven, hell, water, fire, life, death, something, nothing- they're nothing from nowhere and no one at all.

[ArcAttack]

Heaven, hell, water, fire, life, death, something, nothing- they're nothing from nowhere and no one at all.

Brilliant!

That makes you wonder what amazing elements are in other dimensions, if we have fire, sun, heat, what do they have? What keeps them warm? Do they even have warmth?

If we value a physical object like gold, they would have to value a non-physical object in our world as it would be physical in theirs.

Can you pick up education. Grasp faith? Hug courage??
Dang skippy if i know lol

[webby189]

I think we as 3-d being would be almost incapable of comprehending higher diminsions.


Its like if we see a ghost, well maybe they are a hgiher dimension being passing thru our plain of awareness.

For a simple yet interesting view on this i suggest reading Flat Land.

Its a low level read but i found it interesting years ago during summer reading for geometry class.

[Oss Spy]

Brilliant!

That makes you wonder what amazing elements are in other dimensions, if we have fire, sun, heat, what do they have? What keeps them warm? Do they even have warmth?

If we value a physical object like gold, they would have to value a non-physical object in our world as it would be physical in theirs.

Can you pick up education. Grasp faith? Hug courage??
Dang skippy if i know lol

If you want to get really technical about it, first we must wonder what kind of matter lies in another universe, if there is any matter at all. Then we must wonder what interactions matter can have or if one is possible. So far we've been assuming that there is a civillization in another universe. Who's to say they aren't asking the same thing about us, if they're there?

I think we as 3-d being would be almost incapable of comprehending higher diminsions.


Its like if we see a ghost, well maybe they are a hgiher dimension being passing thru our plain of awareness.

For a simple yet interesting view on this i suggest reading Flat Land.

Its a low level read but i found it interesting years ago during summer reading for geometry class.

I like the way you think I've read about in another book I read (can't remember the name, sorry), which is where I got the Square explaination from. I really want to read Flat Land

[Rota]

I talked about dimensions in a thread about time travel once...

The most neutral definition I can currently think of for time is a measurement of a physical property of matter.

I said the same thing in an old grade-school science paper. Time is the 5th dimension of existence.


The first 3 are the typical height, width, and depth. The 4th is mass, because you can have a box that is 1 foot cubed, but it has to be made of "something" in order to tangibly exist. The 5th is time, because if the box did not exist before now, and it doesn't exist at this moment, and it will never exist any time after now, then the box simply does not exist. The 6th and 7th dimensions I came up with determine the difference between inanimate nothing existence, and living/conscious existence. But, I can't recall what I labeled those dimensions, nor their exact description. I don't even know if I still have that paper stored away. I'll look around for it this week, sometime... maybe

I never did get around to looking for that paper. I think the 6th dimension was something like thought or consciousness. Maybe I'll look around this week. Or maybe I'll totally forget about it, again.

[X~Calibur]

Might want to check out String-theory and M-theory, which theorize on how extra dimensions might work. In the case of M-theory, there are 11 dimensions, but it would take knowledge of relativity and Quantum mechanics along with the requisite mathematics to understand it completely.

[Oss Spy]

I talked about dimensions in a thread about time travel once...

I never did get around to looking for that paper. I think the 6th dimension was something like thought or consciousness. Maybe I'll look around this week. Or maybe I'll totally forget about it, again.

I'm talking about the spatial dimensions But go find that paper

Might want to check out String-theory and M-theory, which theorize on how extra dimensions might work. In the case of M-theory, there are 11 dimensions, but it would take knowledge of relativity and Quantum mechanics along with the requisite mathematics to understand it completely.

I have a decent understanding of the string theory and am currently reading about M-Theory. I also don't think that string theory is possible. With three dimensions, if you double the distance between an object and a source of gravity, the effects of gravity are reduced to 1/4, and with four dimensions, reduced to 1/6, and so on...which means gravity is either more powerful than we can imagine or string theory is a bust as far as dimensions in our universe go.