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    Upgrading 13 gears at once up one level from star 10 to star 11, about half will pass. The rest will drop to 0. Then work the failed stars back up to 10, easy.
    "Your mileage will vary" I have to disagree on easily going back to 10 as well.

    It is my experience that ~150 delicate gems give you a 90% chance of having one successful climb back to 7. I use that as thumb rule when determining when it's "safe" to gamble. If 150 delicates can get you back to 7 3 or 4 times, great, but the worst case scenario of 150 delicates = 1 climb back to 7 has been the one I ran into quite a few times.

    I did follow your advice and upgraded stars in their order listed in workshop.
    While the odds listed for 12 to 13 and 13 to 14 are same, I don't believe that to be true. So it makes sense to go for a set rather than have one gear peak high above the rest. On top of that, there is a rumor going around that uneven star levels give a penalty in combat.

    For those who do not coin gems like myself, I suggest patience and filling up your feasting halls. I send out 90 farming hits 3 times a day.

    Selective memory clouds our judgement regarding star levels.

    And gambling always invites superstition, rituals and procedures on how to get it done


    Bottom line is this: If I suggest to players to go into town hall and use praying from the comforting menu before trying the upgrade, someone may do it. And if their upgrades work, they will swear by my "method" and recommend it to others as well. But does it actually impact the upgrade? Of course not, hence my superstition remark earlier.

    Based on my experience:

    90% chance to recover back to 10, have 200 delicates and 100 flawless
    905 chance to limp back to 11, have 300 delicates and 150 flawless

    To crawl back to 12 on Wednesday night when I tried to up my rings to 13, it took me 1100 delicates and 400 flawless. No, I am not saying to avoid doing upgrades on Wednesdays, I am saying that's the number of gems you should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Nite View Post
    "Your mileage will vary" I have to disagree on easily going back to 10 as well.

    It is my experience that ~150 delicate gems give you a 90% chance of having one successful climb back to 7. I use that as thumb rule when determining when it's "safe" to gamble. If 150 delicates can get you back to 7 3 or 4 times, great, but the worst case scenario of 150 delicates = 1 climb back to 7 has been the one I ran into quite a few times.

    I did follow your advice and upgraded stars in their order listed in workshop.
    While the odds listed for 12 to 13 and 13 to 14 are same, I don't believe that to be true. So it makes sense to go for a set rather than have one gear peak high above the rest. On top of that, there is a rumor going around that uneven star levels give a penalty in combat.

    For those who do not coin gems like myself, I suggest patience and filling up your feasting halls. I send out 90 farming hits 3 times a day.

    Selective memory clouds our judgement regarding star levels.

    And gambling always invites superstition, rituals and procedures on how to get it done


    Bottom line is this: If I suggest to players to go into town hall and use praying from the comforting menu before trying the upgrade, someone may do it. And if their upgrades work, they will swear by my "method" and recommend it to others as well. But does it actually impact the upgrade? Of course not, hence my superstition remark earlier.

    Based on my experience:

    90% chance to recover back to 10, have 200 delicates and 100 flawless
    905 chance to limp back to 11, have 300 delicates and 150 flawless

    To crawl back to 12 on Wednesday night when I tried to up my rings to 13, it took me 1100 delicates and 400 flawless. No, I am not saying to avoid doing upgrades on Wednesdays, I am saying that's the number of gems you should have.

    the rumor is true but not accurate.
    I testedit. If you have one set at zero then your heal rate goes down. I know that for a fact. s for other things it may influence, I did not test it.

    Ok, so I am going to tell everyone how much money I have spent on just gems in order to get all of my gear except for the last 2 to star level 13....
    Over $2,000 USD, just on gems.
    Wow, that' lots of money. It sure is. It is about 20,000 game coins just on gems. Gems cost 1 or 2 game coins depending on the gem you buy. Now, what does this tell everyone...
    It should tell Evony that a player who spent over $2,000 USD just on gems and does not even have a full 13 set has spent way too much money. It should also tell Evony that they need to change the star system because if a player wants to hit a full 15 star set I would figure that $2,000 is more than enough if they want to coin to get it.
    It also tells me that players who have MORE stars than me have spent at least as much as I have or have farmed enough to get, oh, 20,000 gems in a period of only a few months... kinda impossible so I don't even wantto hear arguments about how players who farm alot can do it, that is a bunch of BS.

    It also tells me that if the players who have more stars than me did not use their own money then they used someone elses money, or they got like 50,000 game coins by um, "magic" (*cough* exploits).
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    How about this for a star streak... just saw a guy do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    the rumor is true but not accurate.
    I testedit. If you have one set at zero then your heal rate goes down. I know that for a fact. s for other things it may influence, I did not test it.

    Ok, so I am going to tell everyone how much money I have spent on just gems in order to get all of my gear except for the last 2 to star level 13....
    Over $2,000 USD, just on gems.
    Wow, that' lots of money. It sure is. It is about 20,000 game coins just on gems. Gems cost 1 or 2 game coins depending on the gem you buy. Now, what does this tell everyone...
    It should tell Evony that a player who spent over $2,000 USD just on gems and does not even have a full 13 set has spent way too much money. It should also tell Evony that they need to change the star system because if a player wants to hit a full 15 star set I would figure that $2,000 is more than enough if they want to coin to get it.
    It also tells me that players who have MORE stars than me have spent at least as much as I have or have farmed enough to get, oh, 20,000 gems in a period of only a few months... kinda impossible so I don't even wantto hear arguments about how players who farm alot can do it, that is a bunch of BS.

    It also tells me that if the players who have more stars than me did not use their own money then they used someone elses money, or they got like 50,000 game coins by um, "magic" (*cough* exploits).
    LMFAO

    $2gs and ya don't even have a 13 star set <INSERT FACE PALM PICS HERE >

    I spend $30 a week.... I managed to get a 11 star set doing doing very little farmin and spending very little on gems.... Now I had a full 11 star set and won 1k game coins and managed to get All but 4 items to 12 stars.... Last 4 I got to 12 stars 3 days later when I did my weekly spend ( Stuck at Home Dad so Those who hate spenders BACK OFF. it is my one Spend as I Don't even drink anymore


    I am in the process of saving gems..... BUT here is the kicker


    SAVE GEMS. WAIT A FEW WEEKS THEN GO AGAIN FOR UPGRADES

    USE A FAIL ITEM

    DO NOT TRY AND UPGRADE UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH GEMS TO RECOVER ATLEAST 7 TIMES AS IT MAY FAIL SEVERAL TIMES


    KEEP STAR SETS EVEN. SEEMS EASIER TO UPGRADE WHEN IT IS NOT FAR ABOVE OTHER STARS

    But you know all this with your system JP cause you the man and so totally awesome and fully expect to have full 15 star sets 2 months ago


    < INSERT FAIL PICS HERE >

    As a side note.... Has anyone else noticed that HC ownership usually makes certain level upgrades easier?
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    looks like its an extra large turkey at evony this christmas with all your extra gem cash jp.

    why would evony change a system that makes them so much money from people that buy gems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeroAgg06 View Post
    How about this for a star streak... just saw a guy do this
    That is amazing. But it would be even more amazing if the player did it from 0-15. It will never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    That is amazing. But it would be even more amazing if the player did it from 0-15. It will never happen.
    who says it didn't? It doesnt announce until 11 and it shows 11-15 in like 10 seconds... fast enough it seems like he had Auto Upgrade all the way to 15 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeroAgg06 View Post
    who says it didn't? It doesnt announce until 11 and it shows 11-15 in like 10 seconds... fast enough it seems like he had Auto Upgrade all the way to 15 lol
    Quite possible. I mean, let's do the numbers....
    From level 11 you have a 45% chance of success on each upgrade to 15.
    So

    10-11 = 50% (50% chance of success)
    10-12 = 45% of 50% (22% chance of success)
    10-13 = 45% of 45% of 50% (10.1% chance of success)
    10-14 = 45% of 45% of 45% of 50% (4.5% chance of success)
    10-15 = 45% of 45% of 45% of 45% of 50% (2% chance of success)

    And this is just trying to do a run from 10 stars. Can you imagine trying to do a run from 4 stars? The chances of hitting 15 stars would be like a fraction of a percent.

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    From a business standpoint the current system works since they get people like you to pay them 2k$.

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    if...and i quote... " trying to run from 0-15 stars has never happened nor will EVER happen if Evony keeps the algorythm the way it is"

    then why is it...and i quote..."Quite possible. I mean, let's do the numbers...."

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