The Butterfly Effect

[Balaam]

Another example, look at history; if you could travel back in time, to any event, and simply erase one person's existence, say for example, Rasputin, how would it affect any events that person was around for? How would it affect future events?

this is the grandfather paradox not the butterfly effect

[Demonhero]

this is the grandfather paradox not the butterfly effect

And yet it uses the same criteria. Change on tiny event, and others will change as a result.

Its the same criteria, no matter what you want to call it.

And, if you believe in the grandfather paradox, then you also believe in the butterfly effect.

[Montros]

I don't understand how people don't understand this theory. It's actually pretty simple for me. Something small happens, which leads to something a bit larger happening, and so on and so forth.

For those who haven't seen the movie based on the butterfly effect, go watch it. Now.

An example would be trying to stop the Hollocaust from happening, by getting into a time machine and killing Hitler long before he got to power. Kill Hitler, no Nazi leader and inspirer, different outcome of WW2 or maybe WW2 not happening all together.

BUT, if the Hollocaust never happened, what would give you a reason to go back in time to kill Hitler? And so, you would have never went back in time, Hitler was never killed, and the Hollocaust happened.

Pretty confusing, right? You're welcome.

[LaoOmologo]

I don't believe in the holocaust....... And I have my reasons.

[Reasoner]

An example would be trying to stop the Hollocaust from happening, by getting into a time machine and killing Hitler long before he got to power. Kill Hitler, no Nazi leader and inspirer, different outcome of WW2 or maybe WW2 not happening all together.

BUT, if the Hollocaust never happened, what would give you a reason to go back in time to kill Hitler? And so, you would have never went back in time, Hitler was never killed, and the Hollocaust happened.

If the holocaust didnt happen in the first place, I really wonder if that person would exist without it...

[Rodri]

The multiverse cancels out the grandfather paradox.
In your possible past, you did not go back and kill Rasputin because it never happened and so you will not do it in the future. Now, if you could cross dimensions to other possible futures, in many of them you do go back and kill Rasputin and that opens up a whole new set of variables and possible futures. Some of them may have resulted in the end of human conflict many years ago? Who knows?

[Demonhero]

The multiverse cancels out the grandfather paradox.
In your possible past, you did not go back and kill Rasputin because it never happened and so you will not do it in the future. Now, if you could cross dimensions to other possible futures, in many of them you do go back and kill Rasputin and that opens up a whole new set of variables and possible futures. Some of them may have resulted in the end of human conflict many years ago? Who knows?

But the very act of killing someone is changing events.

What I was talking about was removing them from ever having existed.

I think I'm too hungover to make sense.

[Ikeni]

I don't believe in the holocaust....... And I have my reasons.

Please explain.

[Balaam]

And yet it uses the same criteria. Change on tiny event, and others will change as a result.

Its the same criteria, no matter what you want to call it.

And, if you believe in the grandfather paradox, then you also believe in the butterfly effect.

welllll.... i guess
but first you have to believe in the possibility of time travel and the concept of a not static time line.... so that departure from proven science would make it more likely to believe in the butterfly effect... i suppose

not sure you would necessarily have to believe in both
but sure i'll go along with that assumption

now just for the record, i don't believe in the grandfather paradox either
although i have enjoyed a lot of movies and tv shows based on the principle
my favourite being the original star trek where joan collins must die to restore the time line

[LaoOmologo]

Please explain.

My grandfather worked at Ravensbr?ck. After the war, he worked in a Funeral Bureau. And now, he is a conspirator theorist. I am now critique to all info I get served at school.