Quote Originally Posted by imnothere View Post
money is illusionary. how do you know you have what you have? how do you know it is worth what you think it is? the value of money fluctuates.

i honestly see a time when money will be worthless and we will return to a barter system.

I prefer investing in assets then in cash. things that i know will be valuable to me for a while. things i can hang on to and trade a way if i need to. things not cash.

food is always valuable, because you cant keep it forever. you cant horde up oranges and pass them down for generations. not without land to plant in. olives and dates are true investment trees i understand. as well as some of the nut trees.
but i'm wandering from my point
which was that food is a perishable commodity and cant be horded like gold or silver or wood or iron or cash. as such it will always have great value
I'm sorry it's taken so long for me to reply.
Money is both an abstract concept and a fact of life for just about everyone in the world. As a trading tool, it allows an individual to simplify trading by using money as an intermediary device.

To simplify that, if I make shoes and you like my shoes and want to trade for them, you would need to offer me something that I desire or require to make the trade happen. But you might grow flowers and I have no interest in flowers. So how can we make this trade work?
1. You could try and convince me that your flowers are very much sought after and that I can trade them for something else with a third party.
2. You could try and trade your flowers to someone else for something that I desire or require that they produce and then trade that item with me.
3. You could sell your flowers for money and use the money to buy my shoes.

Methods 1 & 2 can work but it can get very messy, especially if we cannot agree on what might make a good trade.
So that brings us to method 3. Method 3 works because we have an abstract trade object with an implied value (face value) that we can both agree to and then go on to work out a deal. As a universal trading tool, money simplifies these (sometimes) complex trades that we all do every day.

The value of money does fluctuate, yes. The value of a certain currency can rise and fall for many reasons that can range from quite simple to very complex. The fact that the value of money can change is why it is a key factor in global control.

If I was an international monetary fund and I wanted to get control of your nation state, how could I do this? Firstly, I could sell you some bad investments with the promises of high returns but forget to mention the risks of that investment failing. Then I could sell off a large number of similar investments in the open market at a time when you are asleep, so that by the time you wake up, your investments are now worth virtually nothing. You have now lost all of your savings and the projected income from those investments. You don't have enough money to run your nation state any more. You don't even have enough money to buy food to feed your population.

Do you need some help?

Don't worry, here I come to save the day with my big box of money to help you but how do I know that you will pay me back? After all, you made some bad investments before and now you are spending more than you can earn. I need you to do some things for me that you might not enjoy but trust me, it's for your own good. So now that you are indebted to me, you pretty much have to do what I say. I can tell you how to run your economy and if what I tell you turns out bad (it usually does), don't worry, I still have my big box of money and I can lend you some more if you like but the interest rate might have to be higher and the terms of the loan might have to be more severe. If we do this for long enough, you will never get out of debt to my international monetary fund and I will basically own you.


Food and food production is the second key to global control.
Farming is no longer what it once was. It used to be that farmers were a large number of individual small buisnesses, each running their own buisness as they saw fit. These days farms are much bigger. Many are owned by international corporations and investment funds. Most of the remaining individual farmers have had to increase their productivity to compete by either expanding their farming area or investing in production systems that increase their productivity. Both of these require capital input (money) and so most individual farmers have had to borrow large amounts of money, just to compete and survive. Once again, if you owe a lot of money, you pretty much have to do what I say. So farmers don't really work for themself any more. They pretty much work for the bank.

To the average person in suburbia, this means very little. Food comes from the supermarket and as long as someone grows it and I can afford to buy it, it doesn't matter who owns the farm, right? Well, sorry but if you want to maintain some national sovereignty (and some control over what your nation eats) then it does matter. Multi-national corporations that control large volumes of food products can control the market and set prices where they want them.

First of all, you need a government that is a willing participant in a global economic system and is willing to remove barriers to food trade. Then the international corporations can sell food into your country at prices lower than your own farmers can compete with. (This is called dumping.) Once you have driven the local farmers out of buisness or bought them out, you now have control of the market for that food commodity. That's when you can start to raise the prices to whatever the public is prepared to pay. (If you had no food and were starving but did have $1,000, how much would you be prepared to pay for my bag of rice? $1,000? Thank you very much. Enjoy your bag of rice. Come again.

Now if I was a small nation state that decided to not play along with the globalists, I had better be able to produce enough food to feed my own people because a hungry population is an angry population and they won't be blaming the globalists. They will be blaming their own government for not doing the deal that gets them the food. So, no need for guns or wars. All I need to do is turn off your food supplies and I win. I own you.

These are the reasons I say money and food are the keys to global control.

Imnot, you are right and wise to invest in things that can be of value beyond their monetary worth. Things like food trees, hand tools, stand-alone water and power systems and permanent housing are all sound investment that will return their benefits to you forever, no matter what happens, as long as your government allows you to do so.

In the UK there is now a law that relates to home made food products. Basically, unless I am licenced and registered I cannot sell, trade or even give my food product to anyone else. So if I make sausages and you come to visit me, if I invite you to join me for a meal and we eat my sausages, I have broken the law.

In Australia I cannot even sell my home grown fruit and vegetables at a market unless I have a food handlers certificate and I am registered. If I was to dare to write 'ORGANIC' on my sign, I had better be certified for that as well or I am breaking another law. It was even decided some years ago by a certain Australian treasurer that barter or trade would be classed as earnings for taxation purposes and must be reported as such. Failure to do so would be considered (you guessed it) breaking the law.

It's all designed to disenfranchise ordinary people and make them more dependant upon the corporations and government and less capable of contolling their own lives. The corporations don't see you as an individual. They see you as a work unit. How well you perform as a work unit will determine your value to them. If you refuse to become a part of the corporate system then you are of no value to them and may even be seen as a liability.

This post is getting too long but these are complex issues that are not easy to explain. Sorry about that.