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    Quote Originally Posted by Starr Spark View Post
    3 words......

    Way. Too. Expensive.

    Only for the gamer, wouldn't be very expensive for evony

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    Jp good stuff! i love your post!


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    Thanks Rayboy. Rota and others also have very good points and I would like to point attention to every poster because as collective we bring good points to the fore.

    In sports, steroid and drug abuse are common among athletes. This is why there is a long list of banned substances for Olympic contestants. Some of the banned substances are certain pain killers, cold medicine, etc...
    The rules for banned substances do indeed infringe upon the honest players as well. In fact, sometimes honest athletes have been banned from the games for using common cold medicine or pain killers or other things. So yeah, unique rules need to be made for HC's. Rules and conditions that may infringe upon the honest players as well.

    Whatever solutions Evony comes up with to deter account sharing I hope they will always approach any solution with one question in mind... "How can account sharers exploit this solution".

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    So basically JP, you want more rules that directly suit your style of play and not the style of 99% of the evony community (since you don't have HCs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeroAgg06 View Post
    So basically JP, you want more rules that directly suit your style of play and not the style of 99% of the evony community (since you don't have HCs)
    Not at all.
    I want rules that make the game as fair as possible for all. What do I mean by "fair"? By "fair" I mean players who have the most skill and best teamwork are on top. Who should NOT be on top?
    1. Account sharers
    2. Multi-accounters
    3. Those who farm the most.
    4. Those who have the most troops.
    5. Those who bully and gang up on others (join us or we will destroy all 9 of your cities, join us or leave the state/server, I don't like you so I will NPC all of your cities)
    6. Those who spend the most money

    So rules need to be made so that those things are not abused, and so that skill and teamwork are emphisized. If rules are not made then this game will always cater to a small audience. Spenders will remain the top players. Others will account share and multi-account in order to compete with the spenders. Others will stay online 24x7 to compete with the spenders. Others will bully the spenders into joining the gang or quitting the server. See, a vicious cycle.

    The main reason I do not own a HC is because I know that everyone wants my blood. They want to take a Bruticus city. And I could never defend it because I would be offline for 6+ hours everyday while I sleep. And another 4-5 hours while I do work stuff and family stuff. I must play the way I play not because it is my choice. But because it is what I must do in order to protect my positive gaming experience from being ruined by account sharers, spenders and bullies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    By "fair" I mean players who have the most skill and best teamwork are on top. Who should NOT be on top?
    1. Account sharers
    2. Multi-accounters
    3. Those who farm the most.
    4. Those who have the most troops.
    5. Those who bully and gang up on others (join us or we will destroy all 9 of your cities, join us or leave the state/server, I don't like you so I will NPC all of your cities)
    6. Those who spend the most money
    1. Agree
    2. Agree
    3. Disagree. The person who farms the most, may not be a botter. Farming is not cheating.
    4. Disagree. If I was simply determined to have the most troops in Age 2, I could easily do so with no refuge mechanic. I would not be the best player, I would just stack tons of warriors and have the highest troop count. having the most troops is not cheating, though someone may cheat to get the most troops.
    5. Agree & disagree. I don't think bullies are the best players, but I don't think bullying is a disqualifier. A bully can be on top for a while, but the behavior that got them there will come back to haunt them, and it won't last.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    JP you say people with the best teamwork should be at the top. But then you say people that gang up on each other should not be at the top.

    Which is it? Defense is stronger than offesnse in Evony so teamwork includes teaming up to take out an enemy.

    You also say people who spend the most money shouldn't get a free ride to the top. But on the feedback site when your were told you weren't a top player you said...

    "Yes, I consider myself a top player. I almost have a 15 star set and can pump 450k archers/day and have 18 L10 barracks in each of my 10 cities and 3 Historic Heros. Few players have what I have and can do what I do."

    Your stars and lvl 10 racks are from spending money, so again you contridict yourself.

    Also a large part of the game is diplomacy, if everyone on your server "wants your blood" you most likely failed that part of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
    1. Agree
    2. Agree
    3. Disagree. The person who farms the most, may not be a botter. Farming is not cheating.
    4. Disagree. If I was simply determined to have the most troops in Age 2, I could easily do so with no refuge mechanic. I would not be the best player, I would just stack tons of warriors and have the highest troop count. having the most troops is not cheating, though someone may cheat to get the most troops.
    5. Agree & disagree. I don't think bullies are the best players, but I don't think bullying is a disqualifier. A bully can be on top for a while, but the behavior that got them there will come back to haunt them, and it won't last.
    Rota, do you think that Age I is basically a farming game? Those who farm the most win? Those who are online the most win? To me that is like saying, whoever spends the most time making chess moves wins. Doing something for a long time or spending the most amount of time on something should not be a factor in strategy and skill. So I will never ever agree that players who farm the most should be on top or players who are online the most should be on top. That is so Age I mentality and is the second main reason why I don't play Age I, the first being that players can gang up on me and take my cities and destroy months and months of my work and investment into the game.. forcing me into a risk position when I never chose to be in it. That is why I love the HC concept and servers Na1-19. If you chose to risk your investment you can own a HC and nobody is putting you in a position where everything you have is forced into a risk.

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    JP you say people with the best teamwork should be at the top. But then you say people that gang up on each other should not be at the top.
    Teamwork does not mean bullying. By gang up I mean bully. Having everyone in the alliance grieve a player by constantly destroying any cities they build up and keeping that player at 1 city is bullying. That player is never allowed to grow. Without growing the player will never be a challenge or threat to the bullies. Where is the skill in that? By team work I am specifically talking about HC's, in particular the reinforcing of the embassy if the HC is under attack and sending resources to the HC when needed. Teamwork to capture the HC. Teamwork to defend it (NOT account sharing but embassy reinforcing when the owner is offline).

    Which is it? Defense is stronger than offesnse in Evony so teamwork includes teaming up to take out an enemy.
    Good point. Defense is indeed stronger but for a reason. The reason it is stronger is because Evony wants to give every chance to a player to keep their city deom being captured. Why? Because battle mechanics were designed with Age I in mind where every city a player has can be destroyed. Age II is different. HC's are different. Thus HC's should not have the same battle mechanics and rules as normal cities. Now my point, and that is teamwork to capture and hold an HC. Teamwork to cap it. Teamwork to build it up (sending resources). Teamwork to hold it (reinforce embassy when owner is offline, teamwork to use strategems on attackers and thwart attacks. Teamwork to plant spies in the enemy alliances and gather info, etc... ).
    You also say people who spend the most money shouldn't get a free ride to the top. But on the feedback site when your were told you weren't a top player you said...
    "Yes, I consider myself a top player. I almost have a 15 star set and can pump 450k archers/day and have 18 L10 barracks in each of my 10 cities and 3 Historic Heros. Few players have what I have and can do what I do."
    Your stars and lvl 10 racks are from spending money, so again you contridict yourself.
    Not really. I am a top player because I have spent money, thousands of dollars. But that is not the only reason. What I meant was, 'I am a top player. In addition I have powerful gear and heros and many many L10 barracks.' If I was totally clueless on the game I would be a spender who is not a top player. But as you can see from my knowledge of the game (i.e. Youtube Videos and various guides I have done) it is my knowledge that makes me a top player along with the money I have spent.
    Also a large part of the game is diplomacy, if everyone on your server "wants your blood" you most likely failed that part of the game.
    Yes, diplomacy is part of the game. Agreed. But you know as well as I do that it is mostly used to create large groups of friendly alliances that gang up and bully anyone who is not part of their group of sister alliances. That is not diplomacy. An example of diplomacy would be difussing a dispute between rivals that could cause a problem. Or asking a suzerain to release your city from being colonized and in return you will not attack them. Stuff like that.

    I am not saying you guys are wrong. I enjoy arguing the ideas because it helps filter out the best solutions.

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    I liked an idea proposed long ago. Evony was considering making a PvP tag. If you wanted to participate in PvP, you could declare so. This would allow you to attack and be attacked by others who activate this mode. Players that do not choose to participate, can only colonize and be colonized. Just like standard Warcraft servers, you could activate/deactivate the PvP tag. To avoid sneaky exploits, there would have to be a cooldown of 24 or 48 hours (maybe up to a week... it's debatable) for changing modes. We would not want people to be able to activate/attack/deactivate and avoid retribution.

    The farming time comment was in response to those that you deemed "deserve success" in Evony. I support the idea that cheaters don't deserve to be on top. But, anyone that plays within the rules certainly should not be disqualified from deserving the top spot. Simply because they commit more time to playing than you, does that mean they don't deserve success? It is completely possible that the person who commits more time to the game, and the person with the best strategy and teamwork are one and the same. You can disqualify those who cheat from deserving praise or success. But, you cannot disqualify fair play from deserving praise.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    My question to you is;
    WHY in the name of God would you have that many abatis?

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