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Thread: RE: Age 1 Bug fix on 2/11/2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furbz5 View Post
    youre right it has wheels it should be faster
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    i was not joking by any means. If we are trying to be so literal and "realistic" about the gameplay now, you cant tell me people can run faster than something on wheels? Just need to get some momentum going then all that weight will make pults way faster. So, lets have rams push pults for the first 10 miles and then theyll be slow, but then they will be faster unit? that sound good neko?
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    i dont want to be historically accurate. Scouts need to be the fastest unit in the game for obvious reasons and i am all for that. I was just responding to where Neko said
    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    d, but this whole thing about moving one of these:



    ...at the moving speed of a scout is quite unreasonable.
    and he posted a picture of a real catapult...so i ask him in reality shouldnt pults be faster than scouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    Melri, your 'solutions' to botting screw the legit player just as much, if not moreso than it does a bot.
    NPCs weren't designed to be sources of free food anyway

    A rep said that long long ago...

    And npc 10 farming isn't affected.. since its pretty balanced the way it is in age 1. (losses for farming 10s, but lots of food gained)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    NPCs weren't designed to be sources of free food anyway

    A rep said that long long ago...

    And npc 10 farming isn't affected.. since its pretty balanced the way it is in age 1. (losses for farming 10s, but lots of food gained)
    And yet they still are.

    NPCs are not going to be changed any time soon. When they changed it from 1 hour refresh to 8 hour, there was already enough grief.

    And guess what? Bots can farm 10s too. So it's not balanced.

    It's still totally screwing the legit player more than it does a bot.

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    NPC 10s can be botted.. by main accts... not small alts..

    The trend nowadays is to use small alts w/ nothing but farming troops to hit 5s.

    Its very hard to setup an alt acct who can farm 10s continuously. as losses will take too long to replace. and you need around 1m archers for 10 waves of npc 10 farmers.

    Nowadays most botters dont farm from their main accts anyway..

    No one's stupid enough to risk losing billions and billions of rez (halved) when they can just use a disposable alt to farm 5s all day.
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    Wow this thread got off topic.

    Dave thankyou for listening the the legtimate concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    Again, "don't have time" reasons...
    because unlike you most of us have real life, no offence intended - you mentioned in other thread that you're unemployed right now. But most of us have jobs or universities/school to look after.

    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    Botters and multi-accounters are going to have more food and more gold, so all it does is band-aid it, but bumps everyone up and doesn't address botting. In fact, you'd make botting even more effective, since they'd get the same boost as you.

    Shaka, when the walls fell...
    I don't know why people keep bringing others issues in this discussion. Botters/multi-accounts is a problem and that's evony's problem and they need to fix it. We are talking about how to come to a compromise to make players happy regarding this particular fix. As far your statement "you'd make botting even more effective, since they'd get the same boost as you", this is like saying "we shouldn't develop technology/weapons for police to catch criminals because criminals can also benefit from it gain advantage over police".

    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    You might be waiting for a while. I'm not going to entertain a discussion on the finer points of why we don't bring back an exploit. That's where it ends.
    again, straw-man argument, I didn't ask/request you to bring back an exploit. In particular, I was talking about compromise regarding this fix and players' demand for some other features. My question was general in nature.

    If you don't want to answer or you can't then that really tells us a lot about your company and its vision. One side, you want to get rid of incentive for botting but when certain ideas are brought up by players, who know more about inside of game than your devs' reliability on God knows what data, you sweep it under the rug without providing a convincing argument for rejecting that particular idea. If you ask me then that's a contradiction!!

    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    I have no problems with listening to the players, in fact we look to you guys for new feature ideas. That does not mean we're going to implement what is asked for without vetting, research, or design. To be honest it is common for a user to ask for X when Y is a better choice but would only be known to developers with access to data the user doesn't have.
    No one said you have to implement every requested feature or it is better for everyone. Polls could help in these cases. Most people will be happy as long as they get a reasonable answer from evony for rejecting a popular idea which they haven't for last 2 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karna View Post
    Perhaps you don't get it, neko_lord.
    Those posting here are attempting to elicit a response from Evony staff.

    Lemme repeat that: 'from Evony staff'.
    That isn't you, right?

    Khalee said it better (and do note the highlighted portions, please):

    Sadly, trolls stop at nothing

    For instance, below, SaluBadsha is addressing Dave.
    You are not davemata, are you?
    No, sir, you are just neko_lord, the troll.
    @ troll - look at this way, he's like one of those attention seeker kids in class who love to put up their hand for everything: "oh look at me, look at me, i've an answer to everything, i'm always right - everyone should listen to me and the whole world should revolve around me"...

    I'm not stopping anyone to not to express his/her opinion but there's a limit to this kinda behaviour.


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    wow, alot of good points................. oh btw, moving at the speed of scouts to a nubuffed valley means nothing, ***************************fck m3, i had like tons to say just then, but ive been drinking. you guys ruined our way to get around the things that your game sucked at. it was our way of ignoring all those crappy things and being able to tolorate the ccrap. now we have to focus on the crappy game play and you have to redo the game mechanics
    good job evony. your llooking at tons more work, cause you cant even pretend to fix this fix now, you cant eve put it back the way it was, your screwed. even the representivews that are trying, act like tey can only approach the nect guy higher up from them with ideas that will be a item they can sell. hard core gamers need to look elsewhere, because this game is lacking in its gameer appeal and will lose its hardcore games very soon.........
    Last edited by Jagersmitz; 02-13-2011 at 11:29 AM. Reason: i didnt, but i will .. later...when sober. why must i lose alliance members cause they cant get thier sht right. thanks evon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    And yet they still are.

    NPCs are not going to be changed any time soon. When they changed it from 1 hour refresh to 8 hour, there was already enough grief.

    And guess what? Bots can farm 10s too. So it's not balanced.

    It's still totally screwing the legit player more than it does a bot.
    The grief wasn't going from 1 hour to 8 hours, it went from 1 hour to 24 hours. There were so many complaints to this that it was then changed to 8 hours and a reasonable compromise.

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