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Thread: RE: Age 1 Bug fix on 2/11/2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    My issue is that you are focusing on things that it would seem are pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things when you compare the issue of these people using the exploit vs the number for those who bot. If evony is all about the players happyness like it claims to be, why are you focusing on things then are less harmful then the immediate issues at hand? If you have special ways to get this information, why are you ignoring the massive problem that botting truly is? If anything takes advantage and manipulates mechanics, then its a program that runs your account for you in both farming/hitting/defending/and even moving heros around to que troops. Programs that pray for you and set truces.
    It's a fair question Laz.

    You're not going to find a single member of the Evony team that is happy with the level of cheating and botting. We get bot reports daily, and we're able to catch just about all of the bots out there now. We are working on this situation actively, and are suspending botters in limited quantities across servers in order to test our tools and make sure they are working appropriately. Once we're satisfied with our level of accuracy we're going to be suspending a lot more people per sweep, and sweeping weekly if not daily.

    Bots are cheating, and cheating at any game, let alone a pvp game isn't something I care for. (Unless it's chess, then I often invoke the ancient ruleset, "full contact".)

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    I guess it's going to be one of those, "i'll believe it when i see it moments" You guys have been "working" on it since the land before time and aside from 2 massive sweep of permabanns that happened about a year ago we havent seen much action.

    I hope when you say making sure it's accurate you mean that you are coming up with a system for people who get unfairly tagged/suspended/banned to prove they havent botted and that the people who actualy are botting get IP banned so they cant return to do the exact same thing on a different account



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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    It's a fair question Laz.

    You're not going to find a single member of the Evony team that is happy with the level of cheating and botting. We get bot reports daily, and we're able to catch just about all of the bots out there now. We are working on this situation actively, and are suspending botters in limited quantities across servers in order to test our tools and make sure they are working appropriately. Once we're satisfied with our level of accuracy we're going to be suspending a lot more people per sweep, and sweeping weekly if not daily.

    Bots are cheating, and cheating at any game, let alone a pvp game isn't something I care for. (Unless it's chess, then I often invoke the ancient ruleset, "full contact".)
    So like basically we can expect another February/ March 2010 any day now right?

    Oh how fun those days were <3

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    the temper tantrums were so delicious


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    Accuracy insomuch as not making false positives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    My issue is that you are focusing on things that it would seem are pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things when you compare the issue of these people using the exploit vs the number for those who bot. If evony is all about the players happyness like it claims to be, why are you focusing on things then are less harmful then the immediate issues at hand? If you have special ways to get this information, why are you ignoring the massive problem that botting truly is? If anything takes advantage and manipulates mechanics, then its a program that runs your account for you in both farming/hitting/defending/and even moving heros around to que troops. Programs that pray for you and set truces.
    Low hanging fruit.

    I too would like botting gone. I'm completely convinced that oodles of people on my server are doing it now. It's only become more obvious since we've started having more grays than blues. Under 500k Knight and Baronet accounts that have billions upon billions of all kinds of resources. People running around with these super-mega sized mech armies that still have billions of food in multiple cities.

    At this point, this is one of many forms of cheating that has been removed. Bots, account-sharing, and multi-accounting are by far the most pervasive, but I'll take whatever I can get at this point. It puts my "tiny" cities on a bit more even footing since people now can't treat mechs like purchases on credit cards, living outside of their means.

    This outburst today does show though that nothing really happened with Operation Cererbus (or however you spell it), since there has been no uproar at all. Hopefully this will have an indirect effect because their large mech armies are now unsustainable, even with botting. That's my hope...and you know what they say...


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    then please do it with a limit so u avoid peoples with 100 mil troops or something like that
    why not 1 mil troops can be in one wave ????
    what do u guys think about that ?
    each city 1 mil troops in valley can have
    that would be also nice and stop peoples having many mech's
    PLEASE EVONY WE NEED THAT... im waiting just 2-3 days and quiting the game

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    so with all these changes in the game, how do we know that the devs who are in game are not infact exploiting the game them selves...and dont give a "well they are an honorable and trustworthy group". the only way a dev knows to change an exploit is if they infact have used it them selves...
    all im saying is quit messing with the game!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BancoBites View Post
    so with all these changes in the game, how do we know that the devs who are in game are not infact exploiting the game them selves...and dont give a "well they are an honorable and trustworthy group". the only way a dev knows to change an exploit is if they infact have used it them selves...
    Not sure our internal approach, but my experience with other projects is: Cheat on a live game as a dev, and get caught - you're in a world of hurt. Considering the opinions of the people I talk to on a daily basis, I'd be very surprised if any of us were cheating. It's a matter of ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BancoBites View Post
    so with all these changes in the game, how do we know that the devs who are in game are not infact exploiting the game them selves...and dont give a "well they are an honorable and trustworthy group". the only way a dev knows to change an exploit is if they infact have used it them selves...
    all im saying is quit messing with the game!!!!!!!!!!
    Why would we? We can test and do what ever we want on the test servers? Our tools are monitored at 2 steps to make sure that an employee does not modify there own accounts, or accounts of others outside of logged and notated customer service issues.

    As for how we know of the exploit it was reported to us, we investigated on the test servers and then tested a fix and released the fix.

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