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    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    If you're not 'accustomed' to a certain type of game... omg new concept coming here... DON'T PLAY IT.

    Evony doesn't have to change their gameplay to fit YOUR needs or wants. Unless of course you run the business, then I guess that's fine. But you don't. So it's not.
    Evony already DID change gameplay to fit my needs and wants. And I can't be alone.
    You see, I hated Age I because of the massive exposure to risk of losing almost all of the time and money I invested into the game. So when Age II came out I was like, "Sweet!! I'm all over this!!" Because simpy put, Age II Na1-19 allow me to choose what cities I want to risk losing by owning or not owning an HC. The rest of my normal cities I can build them up at my leisure

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Evony already DID change gameplay to fit my needs and wants. And I can't be alone.
    good grief JP... have you not been reading the forums you've been posting on? have you not seen everyone else complaining? you really are pretty much alone.

    you want to play castle sims petition facebook for it, let the rest of us evony players have the aspects of the game that we love back.

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    Just putting this out there to help you think more critically....
    But, um, the forums do not represent the Evony player base. How many forum posters do I count that often weigh in on the game? (non-alts only). Um, 100? 200?
    And more often than not the 100-200 are SEEFA (Small Evony Enthusiast Forum Army)

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    honestly JP if you put as much time and effort into learning how to actually play evony to the point that you could be skilled enough both offensively and defensively that you wouldn't have to worry about losing your cities as you do with you head up your @ss trying to find any and every reason why nothing you say could possibly be wrong and why everyone else is always wrong.... you might be a dangerous player.


    holy run on sentence batman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Just putting this out there to help you think more critically....
    But, um, the forums do not represent the Evony player base. How many forum posters do I count that often weigh in on the game? (non-alts only). Um, 100? 200?
    And more often than not the 100-200 are SEEFA (Small Evony Enthusiast Forum Army)
    Actually, you'll find that they kinda do.

    I mean consider this for a second. There's over 500 different posters coming to the same conclusion, whereas you're 1 that's different and won't see any logic.

    Now, let's assume that this is only .5% of Evony's total playerbase.

    Now let's use some basic logic and math.

    If 500 people on the forum disagree with you and they make up .5% of Evony's playerbase, then there should logically be, 1,000,000 people that disagree. You're one person. Using the same logic as before, there'll be only 2,000 of you.

    Now who should Evony cater to? The playerbase of 1 million, or the playerbase of 2000?

    Oh and for the record, there's not really any alts being used. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    Actually, you'll find that they kinda do.
    I mean consider this for a second. There's over 500 different posters coming to the same conclusion, whereas you're 1 that's different and won't see any logic.
    Now, let's assume that this is only .5% of Evony's total playerbase.
    Now let's use some basic logic and math.
    If 500 people on the forum disagree with you and they make up .5% of Evony's playerbase, then there should logically be, 1,000,000 people that disagree. You're one person. Using the same logic as before, there'll be only 2,000 of you.

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    NOTE: My math is all fake and made up, the point in this reply is not to show numbers, 
    but to enlighten the masses on what i believe jp meant.

    while these statements are true, i believe you misinterperated jp's statements and i do not believe they accurately rebute the statements made by jp.

    jp said that the forum does not acurately represent evony's player base and you responded with math that just gave ratio's showing the numbers of possible player bases using arbiturary numbers.

    While jp was pointing out something completly different.

    I believe he was referring to his belief that the user bases on the forums constitute a different type of average population that the average evony user.

    considering that evony is composed of a couple of general types of players.
    1. causal with no money or no time no no care
    2. serious with money time or care (care being they just care too much)


    and secondly considering that the average player of evony is not on the forums, you can generalize that the average person on the forum is on the forum and posting because he as vested interested in the development of evony. This interested is derived from either lots of time, lots of money, or lots of care for evony.

    While the average forum user might be described as this, the average evony game user cannot.

    So considering that the average forum user leans much more towards hardcore than casual, then you can assume other things.

    Using more made up numbers, lets say that 90% of the forum population is hardcore, and 10% is not. Lets also say that evony is made up of 50% causal users, and 50% hardcore users/

    With thoes numbers we'll relate the previous assumption that 500 people disagree with JP, and noone agree's


    using these made up forum ratio numbers we can then say that for every 500 people on the forum that disagree with jp and for every 1 that agree on the forum, then in game we have to use math to then determine that for every 1 person that agree's with jp here in the forum, there are 10x the number of people that agree with him in game. (if you dont understand how i came up with this, remember that we have calculated that the forum population is biased toward hardcore at a ratio of
    9:1 compared to 1:1

    so therefore at a total (again made up) player base of 1,000,000 people, using our made up ratio's we can say that instead of only 2,000 people agreeing with jp, that really 18,000 people agree not 2,000

    Again, while the math i used is probably completly wrong (i hate statistics), the argument jp makes is still valid.

    The median forum user is more hardcore than the median evony game user, therefore, even tho the disagree/agree ratio might be at 500/1 the ratio for evony game users must be closer to 50/10 or something whatever the real number is.

    I hope you get the point by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by karthic View Post
    //snip
    I see exactly where you're going with that. Yes, it's true that the ones that don't use the forums aren't as dedicated to Evony as the ones that do are, but let's be perfectly honest.

    Go to any Age II server and say the name "Japanpimp" I guarantee you'll get a bunch of people saying... things...

    Go to any Age I server and ask any player if they would agree with his ideas. I can almost guarantee that they'll start insulting your intelligence. Almost every alliance I've been in on ANY Age I server have 90% of the players all saying the same thing - Age II is horrible etc etc etc

    Only when approached with the whole "Well there's an attack button on the newer servers" schpeal do any of them actually stop saying Age II is horrible and think about checking it out. And that's only like 15% of the original 90%.

    Now you can argue that Age I is hardcore and full of crazy people. Ok, I'll agree with that, I'm a bit psychotic myself. Then you can argue the ones that play the new Age II servers are crazy and psychotic and hardcore and basement dwellers with no lives. Ok, I'll accept that for the moment.

    But then you go ahead and say most people like the old Age II servers. Who? The only input I've ever seen considering the old servers is people either asking for a merge or asking for an attack button.

    Now here's a new suggestion I was thinking of on my daily run to the bus stop. Most people want the attack button right? But JP and apparently most of Age II (according to him) wants colonize only. Ok well how about a 'plunder' button? Can't cap cities, can't 0 cities, but you can take their rezzies and kill their troops. There, no need to complain about all that hard work and time you spent on the city and then having it cap'd in 95 minutes after you went AFK for your nice long lunch.

    Then again, I think JP's argument is that he wants to play a Farmville/Cityville esque Evony, where NOTHING is in jeapordy. There's a risk/reward system with colonization, but the risk is far greater than the reward at this time. Sure, you get 10% of the colonized city's production, but you have a chance of losing heroes, and your entire army if the colonized player has somebody attack them after they demolish the academy.

    I'll be perfectly honest, I agree with JP on some issues. But the way he wants them implemented is FAR too radical for this game. His other ideas are... well they would never work.

    Such as:

    "Shut down Age I and move everyone to colonize only servers"
    "Stop making new servers"
    "Make it impossible to attack anything but an HC"
    "Put in a 6-8 hour window when you cannot do anything except login and stare at your city being taken"

    etc etc etc

    These ideas will NEVER work, and if they were implemented, at least half of Evony's player base will ragequit and then rage about ragequitting on the forums.

    TL;DR

    I see your point, I understand your point, but japanpimp's ideas are far too radical for the game.

    //rant

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    i wasn't arguing the point, heck i dont thin i even read it, (its jp, you know)

    but using math to justify a point that doesn't even answer the original argument is wrong :P

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    i think that most of the time you may have one or two people in an alliance that comment in this forum and those are the people that kinda represent and speak out for thier friends that are playing the game but just cant be bothered to get involved in the forum.

    about the topic of the thread i'm not sure the mechanics need to be changed...the end game is different for everyone. i actually feel sorry for the op because jp saw this thread as another opportunity to try and force feed us his "great" ideas and turned the thread into another one of his radical evony reform demonstrations.

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    C'mon guys, we are the evony super nerds. I am part of SEEFA too (Small Evony Enthusiast Forum Army). The only difference is that most of SEEFA comes from Age I generation while I do not. Most of SEEFA fights to keep Evony along the lines of Age I play style while I fight to push Evony in a different direction so the average working player who is not hardcore can enjoy the game. Let's face it, most of SEEFA are hardcore Evony gamers and for the most part dominate their servers. So most of what SEEFA has to say is usually stuff to help them keep their advantages or enhance their advantages in the game. Average/casual players rarely visit the forums to weigh in on Evony debates. So most average/casual players don't even know who japanpimp is.
    I have run a few alliances. And let me tell you guys one thing that is a fact... new players, casual players (i.e. non-evony nerds) usually have no idea that the forums even exist.

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