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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    1. Legit

    2. Going to totally disagree with you here. I'll stop short of calling it a full out exploit that you should get banned for (but it is still an exploit), but those buffs specifically have a range of dates in which they are supposed to be active. Making use of them after those dates is clearly not intended by Evony. This is a thing people are using to exploit because they are making alts and giving them the buffs and then pulling them out 1 by 1 to store troops for free. If you were meant to still be using milk and cookies in July, the terms of milk and cookies would not have said they expired on Jan 4 or whatever the exact date was. This is incredibly bad programming on Evony's part, but it's clearly unintended and doing it would technically meet the definition of an exploit.

    3. Exploit but very minor one, but it is an exploit because it allows you to do the equivalent of capping a npc without actually using troops to do it. It's minor because you still have to go through the process of sending the troops to the new city, but to me it's pretty clear the Evony did not intend for people to get around the 24 hour cooldown by having a friend atp it for you and then let you cap it right away. Fact is that you aren't supposed to be able to atp a city and be able to attack from it within a couple hours, so it would also qualify as an exploit.
    in regards to the adv porting there are several game mechanics that can be used to ad port a city there and have it full with troops instantly after taking it.
    It is important to note that if the adv cooldown was enforced after a city was captured then it would become a serious trap city. For example an adv port city is placed in a nest of reds then it is attacked by the reds - it is potentially likely that a red flag strong hero is then trapped in that city when captured and that hero is then stuck in that city for 24hrs. In that same time an alliance could then go all out to capture that city back and kill off the trapped hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DespicableME View Post
    In that same time an alliance could then go all out to capture that city back and kill off the trapped hero.
    Or capture, persuade, then parade it in front of said sad-target's home, singing neener-neener!!!!!!

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  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    1. Legit

    2. Going to totally disagree with you here. I'll stop short of calling it a full out exploit that you should get banned for (but it is still an exploit), but those buffs specifically have a range of dates in which they are supposed to be active. Making use of them after those dates is clearly not intended by Evony. This is a thing people are using to exploit because they are making alts and giving them the buffs and then pulling them out 1 by 1 to store troops for free. If you were meant to still be using milk and cookies in July, the terms of milk and cookies would not have said they expired on Jan 4 or whatever the exact date was. This is incredibly bad programming on Evony's part, but it's clearly unintended and doing it would technically meet the definition of an exploit.

    3. Exploit but very minor one, but it is an exploit because it allows you to do the equivalent of capping a npc without actually using troops to do it. It's minor because you still have to go through the process of sending the troops to the new city, but to me it's pretty clear the Evony did not intend for people to get around the 24 hour cooldown by having a friend atp it for you and then let you cap it right away. Fact is that you aren't supposed to be able to atp a city and be able to attack from it within a couple hours, so it would also qualify as an exploit.
    1) :P

    2) you my smexy ex-host type person are nit picking. The dates represent an amount of time we were given to use the buffs. Putting an acct in holiday freezes your acct. When you come out of hol, it's unfrozen back to the point of which you froze it in the first place.

    3) ok you have a point but i'm not agreeing with you because i dont feel like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    2. Going to totally disagree with you here. I'll stop short of calling it a full out exploit that you should get banned for (but it is still an exploit), but those buffs specifically have a range of dates in which they are supposed to be active. Making use of them after those dates is clearly not intended by Evony. This is a thing people are using to exploit because they are making alts and giving them the buffs and then pulling them out 1 by 1 to store troops for free. If you were meant to still be using milk and cookies in July, the terms of milk and cookies would not have said they expired on Jan 4 or whatever the exact date was. This is incredibly bad programming on Evony's part, but it's clearly unintended and doing it would technically meet the definition of an exploit.
    I'm not going to get involved with this thread, because I understand the ultimate goal is to just say there's so much f'd up that "anything goes", but did want to comment on this.

    I see two distinct situations here:

    1) Buffs that were paid for by the person using them.
    2) Buffs that were paid for by someone else and the person using them got them for free.

    The current Candy promotion and the Milk and Cookies would fall under the second situation. The person buying the package does not get the gift item.

    I have no problem with not getting the extension for something I didn't pay for, but I would have a problem with not getting an extension of something I did pay for, like an Excalibur, Wealth of Nations, Art of War, Vesta, or any of the attack/defense/heal/production buffs.

    If it was made to where buffs that weren't acquired by money or game coins spent by the person that is directly using them didn't get extended, then there'd be no "free parking" or what have you, at least with respect to single-account players. Alt-account issues would be dealt with by enforcing the current rules in regards to alt accounts. If they didn't exist, they couldn't benefit / exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    3. Exploit but very minor one, but it is an exploit because it allows you to do the equivalent of capping a npc without actually using troops to do it. It's minor because you still have to go through the process of sending the troops to the new city, but to me it's pretty clear the Evony did not intend for people to get around the 24 hour cooldown by having a friend atp it for you and then let you cap it right away. Fact is that you aren't supposed to be able to atp a city and be able to attack from it within a couple hours, so it would also qualify as an exploit.
    i actually do have a response to this. Not that i disagree but on how fundamentally for evony this cant be the case.

    Factor in the fact that troop upkeep was supposed to keep us from having large armies, that insta troops was a mistake, that even how we farm is not what evony had intended for us to do upon it's creation. LOL take it one step further, lets look at the exercise feature in the rally. individual people had to come up with their own equations, factors and strategies to fix that one. So if your point is that the adv port thing is an exploit because people are taking advantage of something that evony didn't intend, wouldn't that make Age 1 one massive exploit? Because we all know that while it was successful for a time (whether it still is or is not is debatable) it did not turn out the way it was supposed to.

    So I get to disagree with you


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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    I'm not going to get involved with this thread, because I understand the ultimate goal is to just say there's so much f'd up that "anything goes", but did want to comment on this.
    I like to think of it as checking whether we're exploiting anything else that we shouldn't be. Believe it's proactive, especially since it's being done in a manner that can be monitored by Evony to say Yes or No, and fix those glitches necessary.

    To be honest.... kudos to Ocean22 for putting it where Evony reps can address the issue if it's dis-advantageous to honest players


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    So if your point is that the adv port thing is an exploit because people are taking advantage of something that evony didn't intend, wouldn't that make Age 1 one massive exploit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean22 View Post
    16. free adv teleporters

    Note 1: Dont call me idiot to expose them if these were your secrets lol
    Note 2: Some could still exist and some could be gone dont ask how to do it, just state what you think please
    You dont really expose anything because your so vague, i can make a post saying "Isn't being able to go past the hero limit in age 2 cheating" and I could be totally lying I wonder want you mean, do you actually get free adv teleports or are you not being 100% truthful. I never heard of this before. Im good with secrets, feel free to share with the class

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    8. put a victim in block list before attacking to cut off communication
    I really need to consider doing this. I have called off so many attacks due to the person (or his host) asking me nicely to stop. If only they would swear at me or insult me, but they never do. If they did I would feel justified in continuing. Need a block alliance button, and then I could un-block them after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean22 View Post
    1. reinforce troops to an alliance mate who has vesta on to save 1/2 food upkeep.
    2. apply free upkeep buffs such as milk-n-cookie to the max then go into holiday. come back after others' buffs expire and offer troop parking to alliance mates.
    3. ask a friend to adv port a city next to a red then take the city to cancel 24-hour no-march effect.
    4. same as #3, except that: adv port -> send attack to take the city -> current city owner goes into truce or holiday. so no one else can take city but you.
    5. Relaying resource transport with players of different prestige levels to avoid plunder penalty.
    6. long hour(long distance, 24hr+ blinking) attack. It's annoying but real attack can come when you sleep if you don't truce.
    7. 1-person alliance. declare with funny names then disband.
    8. put a victim in block list before attacking to cut off communication
    9. building more cities than allowed by your title at the same time to make npcing flat faster
    10. posting bids/offer twice faster than others
    11. transport resources to other cities without deducting Food from Load Capacity
    12. item farming
    13. honor dumping
    14. resource farming from valley
    15. lvl10 farming hero transfer without medals
    16. free adv teleporters
    1. Absolutely fine IF the person agrees to it. Terrible if you do it without his permission.
    2. Same rule, simply shows teamwork.
    3. Its simply a clever way of attacking by working WITHIN the rules. Just knowing the rules often gives players an advantage over newer players. Same goes for having the last wave hitting a npc to capture it when others do the bulk of the hits. Its teamwork. If you got players with the skill to do it then great, most players simply are not good enough to manage it.
    4. Same use of brains to achieve something not easily done otherwise. Whoever came up with these FIRST had a little stroke of genius. Since no harm is done to evony and EVERYONE can do it if they are skilled at rally point attacks and prepared to use truces to aid an ally I cannot see why anyone could call it an exploit.
    5. As others said, its a terrible penalty, never properly explained by evony, and so anyway to get around it is fine. With prestige dumping and prestige farmers happening all the time, having members drastically smaller than other players is commonplace. It was a poorly thought out penalty (typical). Either way the work around is only trying to help out VALID players.
    6. Its annoying but I have done it, and had it done to me. Its a valid tactic. Age2 solved it VERY easily with an ignore button. Since Devs abandoned Age1 I guess it will stay annoying.
    7. Usually these are alts. No one starts a server seriously just to declare on unknown enemies. Whats the point. Its usually players that got a chip on their shoulder. Those who do start just to troll the game with war spam SHOULD be banned. 'Funny' names can be easily offensive too. While not an exploit as such, the behaviour needs censorship of some sort.
    8. Perfectly fine, its one of the purposes of block, to stop players annoying you.
    9. Not an exploit. Just requires quick abandon between finishes. Easy to mess up and result in the extra city fail.
    10. Not sure what this means, or why it matters. Only way is fast fingers. So what is the reason it could be considered an exploit?
    11. food is automatically deducted, so unless its a form of hack I cannot see how this is possible. Rally Point is extremely buggy but never saw a transport work for free. Unless people are using valleys. In that case it IS an exploit.
    12. not sure exactly what this means except for suiciding troops. Not an exploit just using the rules in a unexpected way.
    13. Why on earth is this in question. Players MUST dump honor to have any kind of heal rate. Honor penalty is not a wise addition to evony, as it was INTENDED to protect weak players, but there is NO way to do that using honor as it currently is designed.
    You could have it impossible to lose. So the more you attack the less troops you get back, but that will defeat penicillin really (3% is worthless for 120 cents) thus cost Evony $$$, so that wouldn't happen.
    14. Perfectly fine way to gather resources. It takes troops, time and skill. No diff than farming npcs.
    15. This was an exploit and fixed. thankfully.
    16. Other than the item farming concept of having players ATTACK you I do not know how else to get free ports. Never heard of FREE adv. Ports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mati2 View Post
    2. apply free upkeep buffs such as milk-n-cookie to the max then go into holiday. come back after others' buffs expire and offer troop parking to alliance mates.
    - again, see posting #1
    So if you go holiday when the buffs are on, when you come back you still have full timers?

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