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    Quote Originally Posted by Mati2 View Post
    Yes, and I think this is fair. If you go on holiday, every other buff pauses and you are paying to be in holiday.
    It is not ok, the buff specifically list a time when they are supposed to expire and they do not.

    For example, here is what the valentines buff said,

    A gift from your friends during Valentine's Day. Use it to get a 24 hours 50% upkeep buff in ALL your cities from Feb 12th to Feb 16th. Cupid's Chocolates are stackable (meaning if you already have htis buff, using it again will add a further 24 hours). Once Feb 17th comes though, this buff will expire if you haven't used it yet.
    There are still people running the Valentine's buff. No, it's not their fault really, and clearly a programming oversight, but these buffs are not something you are supposed to have year round. The buff is supposed to be gone whether you were on holiday or not, but it's not. Heck, I know people still running the milk and cookie buff from Christmas (some on main accounts and some using alt accounts to help feed troops).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    Heck, I know people still running the milk and cookie buff from Christmas (some on main accounts and some using alt accounts to help feed troops).
    How so? Are they just bouncing in and out of holiday? Or does the use of holiday reset the timer in this case?

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    So if you go holiday when the buffs are on, when you come back you still have full timers?
    I guess that's going to change now, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cenobyte View Post
    I guess that's going to change now, isn't it?
    I will neither confirm nor deny. It's definitely not high pri at this exact moment.

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    12. not sure exactly what this means except for suiciding troops. Not an exploit just using the rules in a unexpected way.
    Probably that it is more likely for items to drop fighting people that has alot of items, there a guide somewhere with formulas and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    How so? Are they just bouncing in and out of holiday? Or does the use of holiday reset the timer in this case?
    Holiday just pauses the timer, which it should do for other buffs (like Vesta's).

    So, people used the 3 weeks of milk and cookies, then can bounce in and out of holiday to conserve the buff. Heck, I took a week holiday over Christmas and got an extra week out of the buff when I came back. I didn't do it to conserve the buff, that was just a side benefit as I just didn't have much time to get on the internet while I was on vacation.

    But, if you have 3 weeks, you can come out of holiday for 2 days (using 2 days of the milk and cookies), then go back into holiday, pausing the buff. When you come out again, you still have 19 days remaining and you can keep this up as you see fit till you get your full 3 weeks out of it.

    One of the big problems is some people not only got this for them but also several of their alt accounts, allowing them to take their alt accounts out of holiday 1 at a time and park their most expensive troops in the alt account's embassy, giving them a bunch of free upkeep.

    Edit: I should say that I agree that this isn't and shouldn't be the top priority to fix. In fact, if you fix the alt account issue, it fixes one of the main possible exploits with this error. It's still an oversight that people should not be having milk and cookies in February, but at least it reduces the scope of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felwynn View Post
    Edit: I should say that I agree that this isn't and shouldn't be the top priority to fix. In fact, if you fix the alt account issue, it fixes one of the main possible exploits with this error. It's still an oversight that people should not be having milk and cookies in February, but at least it reduces the scope of the problem.
    Agreed. We implement the buffs for a time limited period, so it's against the spirit of the buff to have it right now. Which is easily fixed, yet not high priority.

    Now, if you were to park say... all your 'pults at an alt that then goes into holiday - your paying 0 upkeep, and you can pull them back from that embassy at any time, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    Agreed. We implement the buffs for a time limited period, so it's against the spirit of the buff to have it right now. Which is easily fixed, yet not high priority.

    Now, if you were to park say... all your 'pults at an alt that then goes into holiday - your paying 0 upkeep, and you can pull them back from that embassy at any time, right?
    You can't holiday with troops in an embassy. So, you couldn't just park troops in an embassy and then put the account on holiday. They will get a message saying they can't holiday with troops in an embassy (not sure what the exact wording is). So, they only get an extra 3 weeks per account, but if you had say 3 extra accounts, which isn't unusual in today's game, you could milk an extra 2 months of free upkeep out for those pults you want to store by pulling the accounts out one by one (obviously someone has to put cents on the accounts to put them in holiday, but it's only 30 bucks for a month of holiday, so it's not that expensive to do).

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    Dave, the way its becoming excessively exploited is through the use of "alt" accounts.

    If a player had x number of days of holiday and was willing to "pause" his account for 2 months and when he comes out he still only had x days left... well that might be against the "spirit" of the game but its hardly game breaking the way so many other things are.

    Where it gets messy is through the exploitation of alt accounts in conjunction with it. I have 3 alts (all with enough cents to holiday and all have the buff). I holiday them all (freezing their timer) and let MY buff run out.

    Then when MY buff expires I take one of my alts OUT of holiday park my expensive troops in HIS city (and then shuffle food over to feed them at half the cost). When HIS holiday expires I take ALT#2 out and move the troops. Using this technique I can keep significant amounts of troops at half cost for as many accounts as I am willing to maintain.

    Working on reducing the alt accounts would solve 99% of the problem.

    Personally I LIKE the ability to "freeze" my buffs and come back when I have time to take advantage of them, its only a problem in conjunction with alts.

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    Agrees with ^^^^ if we pay for a holiday and we have our buffs on ;then when we come out they should still be there... No matter what they were paid for , The holiday was paid for as well .as for alts disable the new accounts on so called super servers nothing worse then playing for years then have some noob pop up in your farm and you give him a nudge to move and blah blah blah you are a meanie for hitting a 24k, 1 mil pres player and so on. Its a super server for a reason ...We have all techs done(or should have completed them all) we can spit troops out at alarming rates when 1 attack would put the noob back to 3 weeks of troop training... NOOBS PLEASE go to the servers that don't have ss . Its sickening to be playing for a few years and have people come out with these questions "how do i get rid of abatis " WTH If you don't know how to get rid of them then you shouldn't be on a ss server PERIOD...............................


    And since this thread is about questionable tactics ......
    If a person applys a holiday and want to cancel it they still have to wait 24 hrs to cancel once applied the same should go for if they come out of holiday mode they should have to wait for 24 hrs to reapply it ... That is a really questionable tactic, if "tactic" is what they want to call it . I call it being a chicken
    Last edited by SpryGuy; 02-22-2011 at 08:28 PM.

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