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    Default Berninis Hammer/SHUT UP PEOPLE

    Ok first off thx to the evony team for adding this new item, it has been a long time since ive seen anything new in this game. for those who think this item is pointless you are the ones who are too addicted to get off once you start upgrading, and so you wait till its finished(8hrs later.....)

    In case you guys havent noticed an item like this makes it so bots are no longer the only option for biulding cities. i know what you must be thinking, oh look at me Ive got 10 cities so i dont need this item, well guess what nobody cares about you, this item is for those who dont and also dont have the time to be on 24/7.

    so stop complaining and give the producers a hand for giving a rip about what we ask for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelan View Post
    Ok first off thx to the evony team for adding this new item, it has been a long time since ive seen anything new in this game. for those who think this item is pointless you are the ones who are too addicted to get off once you start upgrading, and so you wait till its finished(8hrs later.....)


    In case you guys havent noticed an item like this makes it so bots are no longer the only option for biulding cities. i know what you must be thinking, oh look at me Ive got 10 cities so i dont need this item, well guess what nobody cares about you, this item is for those who dont and also dont have the time to be on 24/7.

    so stop complaining and give the producers a hand for giving a rip about what we ask for.
    I'll assume you had a mental lapse. Firstly, if a building takes 8 hours to build players won't wait for it, if they do chances are they aren't exactly waiting for it they're doing something else. You can also time the building, log back on, queue another building and then continue.

    If the building is a short queue (resource fields) you can do them almost one after the other until level 5 or 6.

    My point?
    This is a forum, it is meant for people to express their views as you have just expressed yours and I have just expressed mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelphaeis View Post
    My point?
    This is a forum, it is meant for people to express their views
    Fail post is Fail.
    The ability to do this was requested because botters were able to do it. I was heavily involved in asking for this to be added, and took a lot of grief from Dawnseeker in regards to how it was not considering game balance, not going to happen, etc, etc, etc...

    My initial proposal was that the wall has a fortifications queue and the barracks have a training queue, so the Town Hall should have a building queue.

    Instead of going that route, they went the route that would generate the most revenue, as you have to buy the privilege of the queue, which you don't have to do for the wall or barracks, and then you can buy speedups, which already were in place for the wall or barracks.

    This was an attempt to give players a better chance against botters. It also had the side-effect of giving potential coiners who "don't have time" and think that other players who have time have an "unfair advantage" now have something to use their earned money, which people who don't have a job can't do, to "level the playing field" between those that have more time than they do, WITHOUT the need for badmouthing people who, through possibly no fault of their own, had the time that they didn't...

    Epic misunderstanding of the underlying purpose is epic.

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    *sniffs*
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    Useless
    , fer gawd sakes evony listen up to us the players!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelan View Post
    ...well guess what nobody cares about you...
    This, m'dear, is patently obvious

    Whilst it might work out to be a great item, I think you'll find that people are upset about it being brought out now, because it shows that what the developers have ACTUALLY been working on, as opposed to what they PROMISE they're working on.... is toys.

    This is a new toy, in the main, for noobs, sometime-players, and Age2 (shush Neko, I already know you're going to argue this point, since you wanted it)

    Instead of giving new people new toys, it should have been Evony's responsibility and priority to fix the glitches that truly affect gameplay... both those in the design, and those in the maintenance sweeps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    This, m'dear, is patently obvious

    Whilst it might work out to be a great item, I think you'll find that people are upset about it being brought out now, because it shows that what the developers have ACTUALLY been working on, as opposed to what they PROMISE they're working on.... is toys.

    This is a new toy, in the main, for noobs, sometime-players, and Age2 (shush Neko, I already know you're going to argue this point, since you wanted it)

    Instead of giving new people new toys, it should have been Evony's responsibility and priority to fix the glitches that truly affect gameplay... both those in the design, and those in the maintenance sweeps.
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    In a sense, I actually partially agree with you, but only about the priorities bit. This item / suggestion should've indeed waited until some other clearly more important issues were addressed.

    As to the actual suggestion, the original proposal would've helped everyone. As a no-cost thing, it would've addressed a reason for botting, which is to build the city buildings / resource fields while offline, just like troops and wall fortifications can still be made offline in a queued fashion.

    The problem is that Evony mangled it when they made it a pay-for-the-privilege item. They did this because of either greed or the lack of understanding about the benefits of just doing this one for the players. Since this is not a no-cost ("free") item, it won't reduce an incentive for botting. The only thing it will do is give spending players even more of an advantage. The non-spending players and the spending players who think that it isn't a good enough value will just continue to bot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    In a sense, I actually partially agree with you, but only about the priorities bit. This item / suggestion should've indeed waited until some other clearly more important issues were addressed.

    As to the actual suggestion, the original proposal would've helped everyone. As a no-cost thing, it would've addressed a reason for botting, which is to build the city buildings / resource fields while offline, just like troops and wall fortifications can still be made offline in a queued fashion.

    The problem is that Evony mangled it when they made it a pay-for-the-privilege item. They did this because of either greed or the lack of understanding about the benefits of just doing this one for the players. Since this is not a no-cost ("free") item, it won't reduce an incentive for botting. The only thing it will do is give spending players even more of an advantage. The non-spending players and the spending players who think that it isn't a good enough value will just continue to bot...
    Well, Evony does have to pay salaries and expenses.

    And it will give those under BP, an incentive to spend their way, to a viable city which will be more defendable when out of BP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackay131 View Post
    Well, Evony does have to pay salaries and expenses.

    And it will give those under BP, an incentive to spend their way, to a viable city which will be more defendable when out of BP.
    If you want to argue that point about salaries and expenses, then you may as well just change the game to subscription-based and then a reduction of the price of some of the shop items, and be done with it.

    Again, the wall queue doesn't require people to pay for the queue. The barracks queue doesn't require people to pay for the queue. For both of those, you can buy speedups, but you don't have to pay for the singular privilege of initiating the queue. The same should've applied for buildings. It's not like the construction all starts at the same time. One has to finish before the next one starts.

    Making it a "pay for" thing only adds advantages to coiners. Unless they really deal with inactives, then if a true "new" player buys a package to get access to this, then bails out because they're bullied, or get bored, or whatever, and they don't restart game, WHAMMO, there's another 1-city wonder.

    Finally, making it a "pay for" thing doesn't do anything to remove one of the incentives for botting, which is to have that same construction queue FOR FREE.

    Epic design failure is epic failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelan View Post
    Ok first off thx to the evony team for adding this new item, it has been a long time since ive seen anything new in this game. for those who think this item is pointless you are the ones who are too addicted to get off once you start upgrading, and so you wait till its finished(8hrs later.....)

    In case you guys havent noticed an item like this makes it so bots are no longer the only option for biulding cities. i know what you must be thinking, oh look at me Ive got 10 cities so i dont need this item, well guess what nobody cares about you, this item is for those who dont and also dont have the time to be on 24/7.

    so stop complaining and give the producers a hand for giving a rip about what we ask for.
    Not listed in the evonywiki yet ?

    Best wishes to those who were in ICECOLD, MERC, HONOR on 131, SOLACE on 144, thePack2 on 158

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