gender wars

[imnothere]

when and how did having a gender become something to be ashamed about?
why do we have insults like "your such a man" or "that's a woman for you"?

how is it we have decided to be at war with half of our own species? wont that kill us off eventually?

where has all this deep seeded hate come from?

[Revoltion]

It's not really hatred. It's just stereotyping. Don't get me wrong, stereotyping is bad. It's just something that will NEVER be put down and never used again.

[John Adams]

when and how did having a gender become something to be ashamed about?
why do we have insults like "your such a man" or "that's a woman for you"?

how is it we have decided to be at war with half of our own species? wont that kill us off eventually?

where has all this deep seeded hate come from?

I quite agree with Mister Revolution on this issue.

And those insults are born from the ignorant and stupidity of he who slings them about. Lacking no other vestiges upon which to reside, they resort to useing gender as a weapon. This proves not their intent to harm, for it is quite humerous in my view, so much so that they lack creativity and any other retorts available to them.

Hate appears whenever there is love. To love is to risk the wrath of hate. One cannot love without hate. One cannot hate without love.

~John

[DoubleM]

It could have started from older brothers. He tells his younger brother that he throws like a girl to get him mad. Thats what I think.

[imnothere]

these are surface symptoms of the same malady, yes, but they are not the root cause. societal norms have be come so skewed from what is healthy. co-dependency and enmeshment are what we are taught to want from movies and tv these days. we are also taught to blame the other person for not understanding us despite never having explained our selves.

i dont know any co-dependent mind flayers who would be willing to date me, so i know i will never achieve that societal norm. not that i regret that one bit actually.

[John Adams]

these are surface symptoms of the same malady, yes, but they are not the root cause. societal norms have be come so skewed from what is healthy. co-dependency and enmeshment are what we are taught to want from movies and tv these days. we are also taught to blame the other person for not understanding us despite never having explained our selves.

i dont know any co-dependent mind flayers who would be willing to date me, so i know i will never achieve that societal norm. not that i regret that one bit actually.

I would refute the claim, but also embrace it. This is, of course, in reguards to the sentence discussing movies and television.

I would refute that we are taught that from movies and television these days. Though I would most willingly admit I endulge myself not so hugely in either. So perhaps that is why I have never experienced that message from either.

I would embrace that people are taught to blame another person for their faults. However, it is also dove-taled they are taught to blame themselves. The latter, for this case as explained above, much less likely and much less encouraged then the former. Though this will divert the conversation for a spell of time, I will non the less state it; I would hold that the message that we need not explain ourselves to another is quite predominent in society as a whole. Though not as the response of films, or television shows. More so by choice. Instead, by virtue of them being alive -- let alone of being the other gender or not-- they must understand what is uttered -- or not uttered-, by that virtue alone. And, in the case of marriage, should this not be present. Well then? The only clear recourse is not to work, but to divorce the marriage and move on to one who would understand. For in the end, explination is not needed. Bonds such as marriage; the form of riddcule, and of laughter. For, why should such bonds not be removed as quickly as they were placed upon the individual? Atleast, to the modern view.

~John

[imnothere]

ah we begin to spiral in on the root i am seeking.

if we are taught to blame our selves are we in that same moment taught to hate our selves? if that is the case would we be more likely to hate the teacher of these thoughts or our selves for accepting them? or even both??
could these be the roots we are searching for? and if so, would pulling them out (ie extracting these thoughts and forgiving self and teacher) heal the pain they caused us in the first place?

[John Adams]

ah we begin to spiral in on the root i am seeking.

if we are taught to blame our selves are we in that same moment taught to hate our selves? if that is the case would we be more likely to hate the teacher of these thoughts or our selves for accepting them? or even both??
could these be the roots we are searching for? and if so, would pulling them out (ie extracting these thoughts and forgiving self and teacher) heal the pain they caused us in the first place?

I would say that the first depends on the teacher and student.
One might easily disfigure a message of blame as to the source of actions to be one of hateful blame. The cause, or root of this could stem from the student, or teacher, or both.

As to the second. I would say it depends on the thinker. One might easily be inclined to the first. While that same person be equally inclined to the second.

As to the last. I would ask the roots of what?

If one is to take it as tendrils of thought: they may as easily be extracted as they were implanted. By acceptence or rejection of the facts.

~John

[imnothere]

in gardening i leared two important life lessons.
1) if you dont get the root, ripping out the greens only gets your hands dirty and stained in vain.
2) its easier to grow roots around things then to remove them from things. for example; a plant reaches down and finds a rock in its way, this same plant will simply grow around the rock. it might eventually break the rock up given enough time and lake of space to grow away from it, but time and space are key to the breaking of the rock.

now what does this have to do with what we are speaking? thoughts are like plants in that they need time and space to grow and mature into something relatable. by the time one can express a thought as ones own its origins may be lost. making the "rooting out" of thought one finds no longer relevant difficult at best.

[John Adams]

in gardening i leared two important life lessons.
1) if you dont get the root, ripping out the greens only gets your hands dirty and stained in vain.
2) its easier to grow roots around things then to remove them from things. for example; a plant reaches down and finds a rock in its way, this same plant will simply grow around the rock. it might eventually break the rock up given enough time and lake of space to grow away from it, but time and space are key to the breaking of the rock.

now what does this have to do with what we are speaking? thoughts are like plants in that they need time and space to grow and mature into something relatable. by the time one can express a thought as ones own its origins may be lost. making the "rooting out" of thought one finds no longer relevant difficult at best.

In reguards to the last. Perhaps, but I suppose it would depend upon the thought. And for how long one held it to be true. But what is more, how willing one was to rid themselves of it.

~John