gender wars

[John Adams]

i agree with you on the celebration of difference. i love diversity, it makes life exciting and challenging.
i would like to think that more then half the populous does not fall into my argument of people who blame the actions of others on their gender, but i need more convincing.

the problem with the most effective lies is that they do have truth in them. they wouldnt hold otherwise. the more truth mixed in with the lie the harder it is to separate them out.

what i dont understand is where "difference" becomes something to be shunned over. i have asked this in a previous thread, but still i dont understand. *resigned shrug* maybe i never will.

To me, to put it in its' simplist form. And thus, by placement, only discuss but a few of the variables Mister Rodri so ascribes to the situation -- quite correctly I might add. I would submit that the difference stems from the speakers convience.

That is, at such a point that convience takes hold -- with or without anger-- and so places upon the holder that it is but easier to insult, to degenerate, or to remove from being equal to oneself', that the difference then takes root. To flourish and blossom -- however miss aligned-- into wilfull neglect, hateful and rude commentary upon the subject from where-in stems the supposed differences.

I would submit also, though at the discression of Mister Rodri, as I hold from impression that it is only due to length that he avoided such a mention, that the desire to conform does not leave the human species at the termination of young adult hood. Rather, that it is equally, if not more so, present in later life as well.
Keep in mind, again, that for this example, I speak only of the majority of the human species. I can site quite satisfactorily that some have never felt the need to conform on any matter. And there are those that would seek to press themselves into being the purest wallflower of the group, throughout their lives.

~John

[Gnerphk]

I've been tossing this over since I first opened this post, but my own conclusions have been thus far merely half-formed.

I'll present what I have, and you can determine its worth:
- Love and Hate each require knowledge of and caring about the target of the emotion. This is why the two are so often intertwined; Hate is not the opposite of Love but its constant and ofttimes necessary companion. The opposite of each is indifference.
- "difference" yields incomplete understanding, which leads to fear. In this case, I would posit that George Lucas got it wrong; Ignorance leads to Fear, which leads to Anger, which leads to Hate, which leads to... well, logically, sometimes it must lead to Love. And Love is NOT the Dark Side of the Force.

Yes, I'm speaking in Capital Letters. This is a sign that the speaker is a True Believer or (even scarier) a Fanatic. Be wary.

[Rodri]

I think you are trying to say that love and hate are both forms of caring about another person, positively or negatively. Whereas indifference is not caring in any way about them or what happens to them.

I think the reason why love of a partner can turn to hate so quickly sometimes is because love is a form of emotional investment that is different from the love of family or such, because we open ourselves up emotionally to another person who is somewhat of a stranger and that requires a lot of trust, or faith. When that trust or faith is broken it can cause the strong emotional reaction that is hate, partly because we feel foolish for trusting them so much in the first place and partly because we feel betrayed.

[Gnerphk]

Yes, Rodri; I'm saying that, only more so.

Love and hate are not merely similar; they are intertwined and inseparable if either has any depth. They are two sides to the same coin, two facets to a gem, roots and leaves, stem and twig, blossom and fruit. They are height and breadth, weight and mass, texture and composition. In a very real sense, they are exactly the same.

But that's too deep for a post like this. Consider instead that one must commit one's own self, one's very essence, to experience either. To accomplish this, you have to in some small part identify yourself with the object of devotion; you have to be (in some way) the same as what you care about.

Love and hate are not weak surface phenomena; they work a substantiative change on the one experiencing them. This must not be forgotten.

[imnothere]

I think you are trying to say that love and hate are both forms of caring about another person, positively or negatively. Whereas indifference is not caring in any way about them or what happens to them.

I think the reason why love of a partner can turn to hate so quickly sometimes is because love is a form of emotional investment that is different from the love of family or such, because we open ourselves up emotionally to another person who is somewhat of a stranger and that requires a lot of trust, or faith. When that trust or faith is broken it can cause the strong emotional reaction that is hate, partly because we feel foolish for trusting them so much in the first place and partly because we feel betrayed.

i completely agree with this statement.

Yes, Rodri; I'm saying that, only more so.

Love and hate are not merely similar; they are intertwined and inseparable if either has any depth. They are two sides to the same coin, two facets to a gem, roots and leaves, stem and twig, blossom and fruit. They are height and breadth, weight and mass, texture and composition. In a very real sense, they are exactly the same.

But that's too deep for a post like this. Consider instead that one must commit one's own self, one's very essence, to experience either. To accomplish this, you have to in some small part identify yourself with the object of devotion; you have to be (in some way) the same as what you care about.

Love and hate are not weak surface phenomena; they work a substantiative change on the one experiencing them. This must not be forgotten.

i think perhaps "care" should be "emotional investment" in my mind caring about someone/ some thing is linked to positive emotional investment in that person / thing and it is a lesser investment then "love"

i do see where you are going and on the whole agree that to love or to hate requires a large emotional investment, one that is hard to make with out intimate knowledge of the object of said investment. only the foolish invest in what they dont know.

i would like to disagree with any similarity after that though. while yes the emotional investment is similar, that is the end of the similarity. to hate is to invest in thoughts that are destructive to oneself as well as ones target. to love is to strengthen ones self as well as ones target. by loving one pours ones energies into positive thinking and positive doing, positive energy is then drawn to that person even from outside the sphere of their target.

for example, when i am thinking and feeling loving thoughts people like to be around me. they do not know what i am loving unless i tell them, but that flow of positive thought and love ebbs around me and attracts other people to me, they like to feel it, even if they dont know what it is.

[Soulstrife]

i know this is the serious area but i think people look into this too much

GENDER WARS (according to soul)

female-- "put the toilet seat down when your done"

male-- "?? if i got to put it down shouldn't you put it up when your done?"

female-- *evil eye*

male-- *note to self - dont ask questions

[Moghedien]

For the human race to continue we dont really need men anymore we have enough sperm in the sperm banks to last for awhile. And when we need more we will let the baby boys grow and then let them die out again....

jk lol