Well my clan requires at the very least a 1.40 KDR, so I kinda had too to stay in the clan. Lol. But yeah, when I experimented with the guns, Id run some dumb setups, like MP5 with Thermal and Rapid Fire, one time I clutched a match and went 12-2 on SnD with that setup. Granted, half the kills were from a Multi-Kill I got with my bouncing betty.