Mary Rose Tudors B-Day

[King Alboin]

On March 18, 1496, Mary Rose Tudor, the younger sister of Henry VIII, is born.
She was very close to her brother, Henry, when they were children?he named his daughter, and his warship Mary Rose in her honor.
Mary became queen consort of France through her marriage to Louis XII, who was more than 30 years her senior. Following his death, which occurred less than two months after her coronation, she married Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk.
This marriage produced four children. Through her eldest daughter, Frances, Mary was the maternal grandmother of Lady Jane Grey, who was the ill-fated ?Nine-days Queen? ofEngland in 1553.

[on a side note: isn't she a babe or is it just me? = P ]

anyhoo discuss or dont discuss the Tudor's
feel free to name some of your favorite Tudors and why

no rules just talk

[DoubleM]

She was born in england when they were looking for north west passage right? Sorry if I am wrong.

[The Luda]

edit: nvm

The nine days queen usually isn't oficially listed as a queen right?

Owen Tudor is most interesting I guess, with his battle the war of roses. His "secret" marriage &founding the tudors Dynasty.

Gotta pick HenryvIII for the juicy stories and breaking with roman catholicism

[King Alboin]

She was born in england when they were looking for north west passage right? Sorry if I am wrong.

I dont think so, not the right period but someone at the time must of been thinking about it I am sure.

edit: nvm

The nine days queen usually isn't oficially listed as a queen right?

Owen Tudor is most interesting I guess, with his battle the war of roses. His "secret" marriage &founding the tudors Dynasty.

Gotta pick HenryvIII for the juicy stories and breaking with roman catholicism

Oh heck yeah, He be the King for sure ... for I agree He boasted several diversions from the norm whilst at the same time setting the norms for all of history. even today we are subject to his decrees ... and some dont even know they are.

for example the Sumptory Laws ...

[reference; http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Chart...Sumptuary+Laws ]

Basic Chart of Tudor Sumptuary Laws for Dress
These laws dictated what color and type of clothing, furs, fabrics, and trims were allowed to persons of various ranks or incomes. In the case of clothing this was intended, amongst other reasons, to reduce spending on foreign textiles and to ensure that people did not dress "above their station"

The Chart:



the only ones who twer exempt were actors of the guild, like the Black Friars and the ones who played the Globe Theatre ... i.e. Shakespear and his ilk.

[WarSimi]

Let's try this again, King A, how about giving us more about these Tudors to talk about? Give a better point to this thread you have here?

Those who have nothing productive to say, don't even bother.

I am watching.

aaaaaaaaand action.

[Gamble]

in regards to lady jane grey....

my mother used to live in a stretch of houses that were built on top tunnels that stretched for miles leading away from lady jane greys house/mansion/villa/ place of residence. this place is located in a place that is now called bradgate park in leicestershire, a truely beautiful part of countryside, the ruins of the villa are still there. my mother told me they were some kind of secret escape tunnels.

[Revoltion]

The above is the best post in this thread, before it's deleted.

[Eutopeus]

. Katherine Parr

. BORN: 1512
. MARRIED: 12 JULY 1543
. WIDOWED: 28 JANUARY 1547
. DIED: 5 SEPTEMBER 1548

The sixth and final wife of Henry VIII.
http://www.hrp.org.uk/Resources/Susan%20JamesFINAL.pdf



One of the greatest love stories of the Tudor era was the passionate affair and brief marriage of Henry VIII's sixth queen, Kateryn Parr (c.1512-1548),), with Henry's brother-in- law, Sir Thomas Seymour (c.1508-1549) {brief yet very full lives.}

I stumbled across a hard cover book,with the title.
"Kateryn" in a box labeled free on a sidewalk in Monterey. As I was in search of
reading material at the time I snagged it and found it very entertaining.

Now i'll have to make time to connect the dots and place her with the likes of Tudors. may re-add image in time

[five strings]

eh. i am quite infatuated with both the cyclopse head and the megaspam. otherwise not really into the sassenach thread.

[King Alboin]

edit: nvm

The nine days queen usually isn't oficially listed as a queen right?

R! buuutttt... Idk

The Lady Jane Grey :

the whole protestant/catholic thang intreagues me. the battles over religion and the control of one's mind and heart of then [I think] mirror the battles over the mind and heart today. the tudors are some of the main reasons we have the first ammendment to the US bill of rights.

here's a lil blurb about the Lady Jane Grey Tudor short life.

born 1536 or 1537 as a result of her parents were in love ... awww
her mum und da Frances unt Henry Grey ...


^[picture of Mary and Charles Brandon .. but close enough]

but she could not tolerate her parents, for at thirteen-ish she wrote of them ...

'I will tell you a truth which perchance ye will marvel at.
One of the greatest benefits that God ever gave me is that he sent me so sharp and severe parents and so gentle a schoolmaster.

For when I am in the presence of Father or Mother, whether I speak, keep silence, sit, stand or go, eat, drink, be merry or sad, be sewing, playing, dancing, or doing anything else, I must do it as it were in such weight, measure and number, even so perfectly as God made the world;
or else I am so sharply taunted, so cruelly threatened, yea presently sometimes with pinches, nips and bobs and other ways (which I will not name for the honour I bear them), so without measure misordered, that I think myself in hell, till time comes that I must go to Mr Aylmer, who teacheth me so gently, so pleasantly, with such fair allurements to learning, that I think all the time nothing while I am with him. <--{great runnon sentence btw}

And when I am called from him, I fall on weeping because whatsoever I do else but learning is full of grief, trouble, fear and wholly misliking to me.' Lady Jane Grey to Roger Ascham, 1550

but what 13yo dont? anyhoo lets continue

so she turns fourteen (14) and gets married to this bob this 'mama's boy' named Guildford Dudley,



any whay Eddie VI dies and the privy council [no not the toilett cleaners] installs the Lady Jane Grey Dudley as Quene...



she was only fifteen. fifteen years old. but there ya go.

she actually did not seek the crown nor wear one, also she refused to make her hubby a king and only made him a duke .. lols

here is an excerpted blurb of an eyewitness account of her coronation, by Henry Machyn, a London undertaker in 1553


On 9 July all the head officers and the guard were sworn to Queen Jane as queen of England.... daughter of the duke of Suffolk, and served as queen of....


The following day queen Jane was received into the Tower with a great company of lords and nobles of... after the queen, and the duchess of Suffolk her mother, bearing her train, with many ladies, and there was a firing of guns and chamber such as has not often been seen, between 4 and 5 o'clock; by 6 o'clock began the proclamation on the same afternoon of Queen Jane, with two heralds and a trumpet blowing, declaring that Lady Mary was unlawfully begotten, and so went through Cheapside to Fleet Street, proclaiming Queen Jane. And there was a young man taken at that time for speaking certain words about Queen Mary, that she had the true title.


but there ya go, this is that and blah blah blay, yackiddy smackiddy and viola by the 19th of july all the cowards of the privy council sought refuge in their respective privies [pun intended] and Mary I was hailed und crowned, people got beheaded and The Emperor of the world Carlos de Cinco sent catholic emmissaries and our sweet Lady Jane twas held prisoner at the queen's rooms at London Tower. ='(

Whilst a prisoner she wrote this to Queen Mary I [who would be the future "Bloody Mary" btw] anyhoo she wrote to her this ...

'Although my fault be such that but for the goodness and clemency of the Queen, I can have no hope of finding pardon....
having given ear to those who at the time appeared not only to myself, but also to the great part of this realm to be wise and now have manifested themselves to the contrary, not only to my and their great detriment, but with common disgrace and blame of all, they having with shameful boldness made to blamable and dishonourable an attempt to give to others that which was not theirs...
[and my own] lack of prudence...
for which I deserve heavy punishment...
it being known that the error imputed to me has not been altogether caused by myself.

[The Privy Council]....who with unwontd caresses and pleasantness, did me such reverence as was not at all suitable to my state.

He [Dudley] then said that his Majesty had well weighed an Act of Parliament...that whoever should acknowledge the most serene Mary...
or the lady Elizabeth and receive them as the true heirs of the crown of England should be had all for traitors...
wherefore, in no manner did he wish that they should be heirs of him and of that crown, he being able in every way to disinherit them.

And therefore, before his death, he gave order to the Council, that for the honour they owed to him...
they should obey his last will...
As to the rest, for my part, I know not what the Council had determined to do, but I know for certain that twice during this time, poison was given to me, first in the house of the Duchess of Northumberland and afterwards here in the Tower....
All these I have wished for the witness of my innocence and the disburdening of my conscience.'

{ya know she may of only been fifteen but she definately showed great runnon sentence skills here.}

but the appeal dint work too well cuz well here's the rest of the story.

and I will put it in an eyewitness's account 12th of Feb, 1554 by Anonomous, {he also wrote the book of love}...

His [Guildford's] carcase thrown into a cart, and his head in a cloth, he was brought to the chapel within the Tower, where the Lady Jane, whose lodging was in Partidge's house, did see his dead carcase taken out of the cart, as well as she did see him before alive on going to his death -

a sight to her no less than death. By this time was there a scaffold made upon the green over against the White Tower, for the said Lady Jane to die upon....

The said lady, being nothing abashed....
with a book in her hand whereon she prayed all the way till she came to the said scaffold....

First, when she mounted the said scaffold she said to the people standing thereabout:

'Good people, I am come hither to die, and by a law I am condemned to the same. The fact, indeed, against the queen's highness was unlawful, and the consenting thereunto by me: but touching the procurement and desire thereof by me or on my behalf, I do wash my hands thereof in innocency, before God, and the face of you, good Christian people, this day' and therewith she wrung her hands, in which she had her book.

And then, kneeling down, she turned to Feckenham [the dean of St Paul's] saying, 'Shall I say this psalm?' And he said,'Yea.' Then she said the psalm of Miserere mei Deus, in English, in most devout manner, to the end.

Then she stood up and gave...Mistress Tilney her gloves and handkercher, and her book to master Bruges, the lieutenant's brother; forthwith she untied her gown.



The hangman went to her to help her therewith; then she desired him to let her alone, and also with her other attire and neckercher, giving to her a fair handkercher to knit about her eyes.

Then the hangman kneeled down, and asked her forgiveness, whom she gave most willingly. Then he willed her to stand upon the straw: which doing, she saw the block. Then she said, 'I pray you dispatch me quickly.' Then she kneeled down, saying, 'Will you take it off before I lay me down?' and the hangman answered her, 'No, madame.' She tied the kercher about her eyes; then feeling for the block said, 'What shall I do? Where is it?'



One of the standers-by guiding her thereto, she laid her head down upon the block, and stretched forth her body and said: 'Lord, into thy hands I commend my spirit!'

The hangman drew back his heavy battle axe and ....






And so she ended.