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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    Sounds like it's time for me to go to lunch.

    Let me formulate a nice PC answer. I will say that I don't like permabans.

    *ninjavanish*
    You could always permaban the accounts without permabanning the player. Wipe out all the accounts except one. BUT (and this is the important part), Evony should ban the main and feeder accounts, and leave one of the lowly flat filler accounts. That way the player is not off the server. You are not banning anyone, you are simply enforcing the rules so they play from only one account. If you ban all the accounts except the main account, then the ban holds no water and will NOT dissuade repeated offenses.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mati2 View Post
    That doesn't solve anything for Evony monetarily. The angry big player they ban will quit and inspire others to do likewise. Plus, as I already noted - Evony is not efficient and it has no idea what goes on in its servers. What makes you more confident they can correctly identify botters than they can correctly identify servers needing a merge?
    I'm an idealist. I would like to think that harshly removing all cheaters would encourage much more fair-play spending. It would also help more word-of-mouth advertising that Evony is a place to go for browser gaming with few cheaters. You are right, that Evony would lose spending from cheaters, but they would also gain spending from fair players. I doubt they would gain as much as they lost, but you never know unless you try.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mati2 View Post
    I doubt they would gain back even half of what they lost, and the earning potential lost would be even greater. People who spend money will always take steps to protect their investment. "fair players" like the ones you describe upping their spending, might spend $30 more not $3000. Evony loses through permabans.
    I can still dream of a day that I can play Evony with no cheaters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    I am dreaming of a day when there is world peace...

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    I hope with all my heart you are not stupid enough to believe the nonsense your spewing with your fingertips via keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    Sounds like it's time for me to go to lunch.

    Let me formulate a nice PC answer. I will say that I don't like permabans.

    *ninjavanish*
    on 150 theres a huge list of hollg and splat names that need to be wiped out then for multi-accounting then permaban the ip. This is rediculous with the flatfilling on 150

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
    I'm an idealist. I would like to think that harshly removing all cheaters would encourage much more fair-play spending.
    I don't think dealing harshly with them is going to help the future of the game, or the revenue. (Since in many respects revenue is an important factor for every business.)

    They're cheating from a reason, my goal is to remove the reason - not the cheater. Permabans feel to me as if we're saying - "This person is a cheater through and through, Seacrest, out!" I think a more even handed approach, using suspensions and game rebalancing will pay off in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    I don't think dealing harshly with them is going to help the future of the game, or the revenue. (Since in many respects revenue is an important factor for every business.)

    They're cheating from a reason, my goal is to remove the reason - not the cheater. Permabans feel to me as if we're saying - "This person is a cheater through and through, Seacrest, out!" I think a more even handed approach, using suspensions and game rebalancing will pay off in the long run.
    You have just tacitly approved cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemata View Post
    I don't think dealing harshly with cheaters is going to help the future of the game, or the revenue.

    My goal is to remove the reason - not the cheater.
    Last edited by Rota; 03-22-2011 at 04:35 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    so when it comes to multi accounting i guess you will make it so players get more cities faster then davemata?
    Quote Originally Posted by evony product manager regarding cheaters
    I don't think dealing harshly with them is going to help the future of the game, or the revenue. (Since in many respects revenue is an important factor for every business.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMan View Post
    so when it comes to multi accounting i guess you will make it so players get more cities faster then davemata?
    Make every city unconquerable, so they can all act as flat fillers.
    That will also remove the largest reason people account share.
    Last edited by Rota; 03-22-2011 at 05:03 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzzzzzzzalicious! View Post
    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    I think you guys are blowing this out or proportion.

    We can either all start screaming OMGWTFBBQ on teh intarwebz...

    Or, you can look at the situation from the other side. People are cheating for a reason, for some, they just genuinely can't stand a fair fight. For others, they cheat to keep up with the Joneses, and for yet others, they do it because they don't know any better. ("Hey, what do you mean I'm not supposed to be avoiding food upkeep by performing this voodoo ceremony?")

    Treating them all the same way doesn't help the situation any. You can either read that as a supposed approval of cheating, or you can be realistic. That's your call.

    Now, we're acting against cheaters, performing daily sweeps and handing out suspensions. Banning is not off the table for the people just BEGGING for it, I just don't think it's the first action we should take. Even punkbuster fails, there isn't a way to make a game completely impossible to cheat at, the difficulty and the challenge to the operator is to minimize the incentives to cheating without alienating both sides of the player base.

    That's as far as it goes.

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