Defending against Horses and Mechs

[LordH_WN2]

This is a thread about defending against Horses and Mech waves as you can probably guess from the title. This is as much me asking for help and opinions as it is me giving you any guidance but maybe from the comments you read you will have learnt something and if you already know please tell. First of all I'd like to say I know nothing about the mechanics of the battle such as why this happens and why that happens so anyone who can explain that then that would be helpful as well. Secondly none of the reports I have included are my own, all of them I have found in the Battle Reports section so thank you to those of you who put these attacks on the forums as they have helped me alot.

http://ww.evonyurl.com/kbhmqc

The first report is a good defence against a horse attack

http://www.evonyurl.com/8oqjqa

The second is a great attack from a horse attack

In the first attack not many troops are lost however the hero's are presumably from the levels of around the same attack give or take 35 or so. In the second report the attacking hero is better however again the difference is not massive. However the defenders losses change massively, is the only reason to this the fact that the player in the first report had small layers and enough archers whereas in the second report the defender had loads of archers but no layers to help defend?

Now the Mechanical hits.


http://ww.evonyurl.com/dw78h1

A good Mech hit.

http://ww.evonyurl.com/hb92r3

A good defence against a Mech hit.

In these reports I assume the hero's made a much bigger difference than in the horse reports but the question is still the same. In the good mech hit the defender has loads of layers and everything gets wiped out. In the good defence against a mech hit the defender has no layers and wins without even getting scratched.

So my questions are, when defending against a horse hit does the small layers save you in some cases over 2,000,000 Archers.........and when defending against a Mech hit is your best bet no layers but alot your own mechs. Also is there a middle ground, if you have the defence you should have against horses then you are very vunerable to mech hits and vice versa.

Finally I understand this may seem pointless to those of you that already understand all of this perfectly however for people like myself answers to these questions will really help in rapidly growing servers where 100,000 is the norm.

Thank you for reading

[LordH_WN2]

If there are any problems such as 1 link doesnt match what I was saying please point it out as I was tired when I was doing this and may have made mistakes

[Farquaad1]

Great reports . I don't know much about the game mechanics either but i know that if you use horse and mech hits correctly they can do some serious damage.
Links are fine.

[BigNorr]

This is a thread about defending against Horses and Mech waves as you can probably guess from the title. This is as much me asking for help and opinions as it is me giving you any guidance but maybe from the comments you read you will have learnt something and if you already know please tell. First of all I'd like to say I know nothing about the mechanics of the battle such as why this happens and why that happens so anyone who can explain that then that would be helpful as well. Secondly none of the reports I have included are my own, all of them I have found in the Battle Reports section so thank you to those of you who put these attacks on the forums as they have helped me alot.

http://ww.evonyurl.com/kbhmqc

The first report is a good defence against a horse attack

http://www.evonyurl.com/8oqjqa

The second is a great attack from a horse attack

In the first attack not many troops are lost however the hero's are presumably from the levels of around the same attack give or take 35 or so. In the second report the attacking hero is better however again the difference is not massive. However the defenders losses change massively, is the only reason to this the fact that the player in the first report had small layers and enough archers whereas in the second report the defender had loads of archers but no layers to help defend?

Now the Mechanical hits.


http://ww.evonyurl.com/dw78h1

A good Mech hit.

http://ww.evonyurl.com/hb92r3

A good defence against a Mech hit.

In these reports I assume the hero's made a much bigger difference than in the horse reports but the question is still the same. In the good mech hit the defender has loads of layers and everything gets wiped out. In the good defence against a mech hit the defender has no layers and wins without even getting scratched.

So my questions are, when defending against a horse hit does the small layers save you in some cases over 2,000,000 Archers.........and when defending against a Mech hit is your best bet no layers but alot your own mechs. Also is there a middle ground, if you have the defence you should have against horses then you are very vunerable to mech hits and vice versa.

Finally I understand this may seem pointless to those of you that already understand all of this perfectly however for people like myself answers to these questions will really help in rapidly growing servers where 100,000 is the norm.

Thank you for reading

Lol you know I'm on forums too much when I recognize every one of these hits from previous threads. Ok when it comes to ponies.....range is everything. If you have any traps/abatis/trebs and say over 100k arch you will be fine, in the lack of these range setters meat or your own horsies save you. This is because the ponies hit the units that move out furthest from the walls (this is based off the fastest units) first. If you have phract, cav, pike, sword, work, warr all these move faster then arch so take the first hit while your arch shoot at his cav and kill them.

As for mechs. The reason the mechs won no losses is due to the fact that the mechs have a wall range bonus and so gun down the attacking mechs before they even come into range to fire at the defenders. Now if you have ponies and foot troops like in leon's hit and a ranged defence your troops move away from the walls to engage the enemy and are ripped to pieces since they have moved out to meat the attacking mechs rather then stick nice and close to the walls like the slow moving mechs do.

[Balaam]

does anyone on wn2 actually use mechs?
i mean except for CH who could afford to feed a mech army?

[LordH_WN2]

There are a few people with mech armies I assume and thats why I wanted to know, And everyone has Cavs so this was just information I wanted to help me when it comes to defending. BigNorr +rep because your information on the way battles happen have helped alot and I hope the info will save my life 1 day

LordH

[SILKPJS01]

mech defense can be killed so easy though its pathetic just bait ur target into going to mech defense then 1 sec behind that camptime ur mech killerz even if they leave layers in with their mechs u can kill it cheaply and easy its great with good heroes on mech killing designed waves taking 25k plus ballz a hit lol just saw this thread and had to throw this out there that any defense can be broken and broken very fast camptime is ur friend and watch what ur enenmy does if he goes to mech dense recall mech wave last few secs let ur mech killzer 1 sec behind destroy their mech d lol

[Melri]

mech defense can be killed so easy though its pathetic just bait ur target into going to mech defense then 1 sec behind that camptime ur mech killerz even if they leave layers in with their mechs u can kill it cheaply and easy its great with good heroes on mech killing designed waves taking 25k plus ballz a hit lol just saw this thread and had to throw this out there that any defense can be broken and broken very fast camptime is ur friend and watch what ur enenmy does if he goes to mech dense recall mech wave last few secs let ur mech killzer 1 sec behind destroy their mech d lol

lol what a noob

ur mech killers will hit nothing but layers and die miserably

[annagilbert]

mech defense can be killed so easy though its pathetic just bait ur target into going to mech defense then 1 sec behind that camptime ur mech killerz even if they leave layers in with their mechs u can kill it cheaply and easy its great with good heroes on mech killing designed waves taking 25k plus ballz a hit lol just saw this thread and had to throw this out there that any defense can be broken and broken very fast camptime is ur friend and watch what ur enenmy does if he goes to mech dense recall mech wave last few secs let ur mech killzer 1 sec behind destroy their mech d lol

uh oh - i go with melri - either you a noob or you should get a help spot ticket ASOP and report that camp time on your server only works for attacker and not defender...

[copper]

mech defense can be killed so easy though its pathetic just bait ur target into going to mech defense then 1 sec behind that camptime ur mech killerz even if they leave layers in with their mechs u can kill it cheaply and easy its great with good heroes on mech killing designed waves taking 25k plus ballz a hit lol just saw this thread and had to throw this out there that any defense can be broken and broken very fast camptime is ur friend and watch what ur enenmy does if he goes to mech dense recall mech wave last few secs let ur mech killzer 1 sec behind destroy their mech d lol

Jaysus, buddy. Punctuation is your friend.

Anything that can wipe out a mech defense, will get wiped by a mech defense that has very, very minor changes, especially in Age II where autoheal will bring the layers back up fast.