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    Quote Originally Posted by el roberto View Post
    but i dont think players should be penalized because they dont have the funds to get 15 star set
    So evony should just give away 15 star sets and those who dosnt wish to spend their lifesavings, Or 1 weeks salary should have no advantage at all?

    Ofcourse players who cant or dont want to spend should be penalized, Its life, its like saying everyone should own the same car, No one should have a better car just because they have more money, Its not fair!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    Evony has the server stats, we don't.

    Evony has the financial stats, we don't.

    Evony won't become this successful if what they were doing isn't profitable.

    We dont have the tools to judge, nor have the right to do so.

    Just let it be
    Merli,
    Being successful (in money terms) is getting the most you possibly can.
    Obviously Evony makes money from sales because players buy stuff. But is Evony making the most they can? No, they are not.
    How can I be so bold as to make that statement? Simple, because there is always room for improvement. And I can say 1 thing with certainty... Evony's pricing needs further adjustment in order to get more money. But if Evony is OK with losing out on additional cash they could be getting from players then you gotta ask yourself 1 question... is this company for profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Merli,
    Being successful (in money terms) is getting the most you possibly can.
    Obviously Evony makes money from sales because players buy stuff. But is Evony making the most they can? No, they are not.
    How can I be so bold as to make that statement? Simple, because there is always room for improvement. And I can say 1 thing with certainty... Evony's pricing needs further adjustment in order to get more money. But if Evony is OK with losing out on additional cash they could be getting from players then you gotta ask yourself 1 question... is this company for profit?
    To make that 'statement' in a business environment, you need financial data, trend analysis, sales reports, business models, etc etc

    Do you have any of them? no.

    ergo: your statement is baseless

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Merli,
    Being successful (in money terms) is getting the most you possibly can.
    Obviously Evony makes money from sales because players buy stuff. But is Evony making the most they can? No, they are not.
    How can I be so bold as to make that statement? Simple, because there is always room for improvement. And I can say 1 thing with certainty... Evony's pricing needs further adjustment in order to get more money. But if Evony is OK with losing out on additional cash they could be getting from players then you gotta ask yourself 1 question... is this company for profit?
    Yea but customer service matters too if some one spend between 10k and 35k for a 15 star set then two weeks latter the price lowers to 5k the guy who just spent 35k is going to feel like a jerk. My point is it is a really big risk for evony to fool with the star system as it stands it could really **** off there players or destroy the servers.

    Also the benift of the current system is it will take years of farming to get a 15 set or 10-35k. My guess is evony never thought that any one would blow 35k on a video game they figured most would spend a few hundred or few thousand and farm over years. if you made it 3k to get a 15 star set every one with a 13 or 12 set would have a 15 set that means all those people have no incentive to spend more. Also I think that having the best gear in the game should be rare. there are hundreds with a 15 star set then it will be less special and take away some thing to work for. in age 1 your heroes never stop leveling in age 2 the star system is such that 99.99% of people spend a year getting there.

    there is too much risk to lowering the price of a 15 star set.

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    3 things:

    1. JP originally said 15 star set was 10k, now he's to 20-30k. I think 5-10 is more accurate according to what I've heard. Either way, that's a substantial amount of money to spend on any game, though one poster brought up the amount spent on different xbox games, and that was an interesting point.

    My goal wasn't to start a "spenders vs. non-spenders" war, but to talk about whether the star system in its current form is fair to players of both types due to risk vs. reward.

    I think that it's clearly unfair.

    2. If you don't play Age2, you're not qualified to comment because you don't understand the game mechanics or the effect of stars at mid-game. Sorry, it's just true.

    3. I don't advocate "giving away" a 15 set. I was careful to state that I'm willing to farm for it precisely because a 15 set is an late middle-to-endgame goal. That having been said, I still think the system is unfair because in all other aspects of the game the only thing you can lose is heroes or troops. Here, you risk your actual gear and waste large amounts of money or resources.

    I think that a couple posters made good points about finding the correct price-point for this on evony's part to maximize profits. I don't begrudge Evony making money, just don't like seeing us get cheated by a sketchy system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa na23 View Post
    3 things:

    1. JP originally said 15 star set was 10k, now he's to 20-30k. I think 5-10 is more accurate according to what I've heard. Either way, that's a substantial amount of money to spend on any game, though one poster brought up the amount spent on different xbox games, and that was an interesting point.

    My goal wasn't to start a "spenders vs. non-spenders" war, but to talk about whether the star system in its current form is fair to players of both types due to risk vs. reward.

    I think that it's clearly unfair.

    2. If you don't play Age2, you're not qualified to comment because you don't understand the game mechanics or the effect of stars at mid-game. Sorry, it's just true.

    3. I don't advocate "giving away" a 15 set. I was careful to state that I'm willing to farm for it precisely because a 15 set is an late middle-to-endgame goal. That having been said, I still think the system is unfair because in all other aspects of the game the only thing you can lose is heroes or troops. Here, you risk your actual gear and waste large amounts of money or resources.

    I think that a couple posters made good points about finding the correct price-point for this on evony's part to maximize profits. I don't begrudge Evony making money, just don't like seeing us get cheated by a sketchy system.
    Hey players spend thousands of $ getting all that gear and star levels and stuff.

    I say it isnt a sketchy system.. if it was, people won't spend on it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa na23 View Post
    I think that a couple posters made good points about finding the correct price-point for this on evony's part to maximize profits. I don't begrudge Evony making money, just don't like seeing us get cheated by a sketchy system.
    I agree in principle about profit maximization, and it's likely that their pricing structure is out of whack with reality, but that applies to both Age I and Age II. In Age II, it's the stars and the other surrounding hero gear items. For Age I, it's the medals, particularly Rose and Nation medals.

    That said though, I'm having a tough time agreeing with JapanPimp here. I agree only on principle. My issue with him is that he has far more money than I have, a wife, a child, and an overall better life, at least viewed from my perspective, yet he begrudges me for having the time to play the game which he does not. He incorrectly assumes that because I have more time, I'm on all the time and/or account sharing. Frankly, I would assert that it's the people who spend a lot of money who are much more likely to be account sharing, as they will want to protect their investment. Those of us chumps who are unemployed and don't have these nice things (money, house, car, wife, kid, night life, trips by planes, cruises, etc...) are made out to be a source of evil in his mind, all the while he complains about the cost of getting the gear star sets.

    Life isn't fair. Those of us chumps who are unemployed might just wish we had the money to throw away. Until he gets off of the high horse and stops looking down upon those less fortunate, it's my opinion that the pricing of the star sets can stay the same, or even be increased. That's not nice of me to say that, but I don't appreciate being spat on all the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa na23 View Post
    3 things:

    1. JP originally said 15 star set was 10k, now he's to 20-30k. I think 5-10 is more accurate according to what I've heard. Either way, that's a substantial amount of money to spend on any game, though one poster brought up the amount spent on different xbox games, and that was an interesting point.

    I think that a couple posters made good points about finding the correct price-point for this on evony's part to maximize profits. I don't begrudge Evony making money, just don't like seeing us get cheated by a sketchy system.
    I paid 20k for my mine lord chief the host of my alliance paid 30k for his there is a random element to how much stars cost so yea some will pay 5k some will pay 10 and some will pay 30k. Also there is a farming element as well if you farm you heart out you will get more gems and it will be less also the mix of how many red gems you buy verses blue also effects how much it costs.

    As I am the one who clicked on the pay pal for those numbers it is fair to say I am qualified to discuss how much they cost and how much people are willing to spend on them.

    and I am only slightly ashamed about how much I have spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaziglubey View Post
    this is gonna hurt more then anything ive had to say before but i, i, i.....dont know if i can do it......... ok here it goes, i actually agree with this.. simple economics. look at sporting events and such. they price there tickets to make sure they fill as many seats as possible. whats better then a full house right?

    on the other hand tho, do these people with their 15 star set keep sinking as much money in after the acquire it???
    no i have spend a few hundred bucks after I got my 15 star set honestly what do i need to spend money on
    1 advance tells 10 bucks a pop even if i do a major event where i buy 30 for everyone in my alliance so we can destroy another alliance that is like 300 bucks and we will do an events like that 3 or 4 times a year tops
    2 if i take a new city MA scrips but I have 4 16's it would cause mad drama if i got more and anyway all are held by my alliance so what is the point in taking them i think i bought maybe 10 ma scrips so $500.
    3: Excalibur yea this i do it costs a fair amount to have one hero in every city Excalibur out so you can produce with a 1 k attack hero wheni do that i produce 10k ballista per day per city if i can log on 6 times a day lol i can do like 60k archers per city so that is worth it.
    and u know what if I dont Excalibur and some one else does well then that 13 set really is as good or better than the 15 set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    To make that 'statement' in a business environment, you need financial data, trend analysis, sales reports, business models, etc etc

    Do you have any of them? no.

    ergo: your statement is baseless

    The data is right there...
    Only 2X people have a 15
    and those people paid 20-30k$ a set
    And it's pretty obvious that market is small.

    YOUR statement is baseless.

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