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    I've been on na14 for a year now, and I've spent a grand total of $30 (not 30k) on stars. It was one of those days where you get 600 cents for 30 dollars....and my 1 item didn't make it above level 9.

    SO, i did the smart thing....and stopped handing evony my money when i knew nothing would come of it. I have a full 12 set that i got from farming, and and pretty content knowing it won't go much higher. To me, an 800 attack hero isn't worth the money it takes to get there, so I don't pay them and I don't have a 800 attack hero.

    Its a very common thing on age 2 that you can spend hundreds of dollars and end up two steps back.

    My advice to anyone newer would be to assume you're going to fail before you spend the money, and decide if its worth it. If it's not...then save your $.

    As long as people are willing to spend 4k, or 10k, or 30k to get full star sets, evony has no reason to change it. I don't mean this to be mean, but the reason that evony doesn't listen to its users are because If you quit today, they get to keep your money. On top of that there are hoards of people behind you ready to put money into a bad system such as stars.

    21 people with full 15 sets....how many people have spend 2-3k getting sets of 14? Evony's pocketbook doesn't miss any one person's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilesyt View Post
    The data is right there...
    Only 2X people have a 15
    and those people paid 20-30k$ a set
    And it's pretty obvious that market is small.

    YOUR statement is baseless.
    Hey little boy..

    If that's all the data you're gonna use to make a decision regarding the price point / performance of an item..

    Just put price stickers on a dartboard and throw darts instead lol


    Sadly.. You need to learn a lot more about sales and marketing
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    Quote Originally Posted by toeesquire View Post
    I paid 20k for my mine lord chief the host of my alliance paid 30k for his there is a random element to how much stars cost so yea some will pay 5k some will pay 10 and some will pay 30k. Also there is a farming element as well if you farm you heart out you will get more gems and it will be less also the mix of how many red gems you buy verses blue also effects how much it costs.

    As I am the one who clicked on the pay pal for those numbers it is fair to say I am qualified to discuss how much they cost and how much people are willing to spend on them.

    and I am only slightly ashamed about how much I have spent.
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    The chance element makes sense...If you have it to spend and it's not hurting you, why not? Then again, you could make max contributions to a nice Roth IRA for 10 of your closest friends with that kind of cash

    I wasn't saying that you weren't the one who's qualified to say it, I was just pointing out that you'd said 10k in your first post...no harm meant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    Hey players spend thousands of $ getting all that gear and star levels and stuff.

    I say it isnt a sketchy system.. if it was, people won't spend on it



    Just because something doesnt behave the way you like it makes it wrong.

    Just because you don't understand how something exactly works makes it 'sketchy'




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    The sketchiness comes from my opinion that the cost is far greater than the reward. Just because someone will pay 5-30k doesn't mean it's worth that. A fool and their money, etc.

    And I understand it fairly well. I don't like it is all...but if you think it's fair, that's ok too, we'll just have to disagree on this one.

    I'll give you my paypal address...for $5 you have a 45% chance of me sending you $100, for $50 you have a 70% chance. I'll roll, you spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    Hey little boy..

    If that's all the data you're gonna use to make a decision regarding the price point / performance of an item..

    Just put price stickers on a dartboard and throw darts instead lol


    Sadly.. You need to learn a lot more about sales and marketing
    Wow, you're pretty dimwitted. What makes you say a 15 set is sooo much better than a first class car you can buy for the same money.
    Sure, 800 atttack is pretty awesome, but if a 12 set is acievable through farming alone, everyone with a will will go farming for it instead. And having to pay that much money just for a 15 is just outrageous. And it is pretty obvous that there are TONS of people willing to spend 4k on thegame. Whereas you only have 20ish people for 20k yiu have over a thousand for 4k. Where do i get those numbers ? lookt all those rich people in every server, add them up and you'll come to that number. Some pay until they have a lvl13, others dont even bother even if they have the cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    Evony can set the price to whatever they want, their call.
    Right now they have set the price for a full 15 star set to $20k-$30k.
    Here is their problem:
    Set the price too high and you won't make as much money as possible.
    Set the price too low and you won't make as much moneyas possible.
    Set the price just right and you will make the most money possible.
    Right now Evony has set the price too high. The market for $20k-$30k buyers is too small. This is evident by the fact that only ~21 players across Age 2 have full 15 sets... that is a small market.
    If Evony dropped the price then the market of buyers would increase. But if they drop it too low they won't make the most money. Example:
    Players willing to spend $25k on average for a 15 star set: 30 ($750k)
    Players willing to spend $2k on average for a 15 star set: 500 ($1 million)
    Players willing to spend $1k on average for a 15 star set: 700 ($700k)
    Just an exmaple but you get the idea about setting the price so you get the most money possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toeesquire View Post
    Yea but customer service matters too if some one spend between 10k and 35k for a 15 star set then two weeks latter the price lowers to 5k the guy who just spent 35k is going to feel like a jerk. My point is it is a really big risk for evony to fool with the star system as it stands it could really **** off there players or destroy the servers.

    Also the benift of the current system is it will take years of farming to get a 15 set or 10-35k. My guess is evony never thought that any one would blow 35k on a video game they figured most would spend a few hundred or few thousand and farm over years. if you made it 3k to get a 15 star set every one with a 13 or 12 set would have a 15 set that means all those people have no incentive to spend more. Also I think that having the best gear in the game should be rare. there are hundreds with a 15 star set then it will be less special and take away some thing to work for. in age 1 your heroes never stop leveling in age 2 the star system is such that 99.99% of people spend a year getting there.

    there is too much risk to lowering the price of a 15 star set.
    I understand the few players who spent the $30k would be miffed if the star system changed. But here is the counter argument...
    If the ~21 players who spent $30k on their star sets did so because of a flawed star system that never intended players to spend $30k.. then it would be OK to adjust the flaws. And by doing so the few who spent the $30k may have an argument for a refund.

    The other argument is that in business prices change. When something is hot and new it costs more. After time the price drops. Supply/Demand stuff. When the hot new computer comes out it costs alot. Then after some time the price drops. When VCR's first came out they cost ALOT. Then after a while they were dirt cheap. You did not have to run out and buy the first VCR and spend $3k on it just so you could have it before everyone. Those who waited a while got a much better deal.

    Nobody is saying you HAVE to spend the $30k. It was your choice to do so just like the VCR. And what is more, you KNOW this game is not perfect and has bugs and other issues. So if you spent that money assuming the star system worked perfectly then that was your bad, not Evonys. And if Evony needs to update things, which is normal in the world of software because code is never perfect, does that mean customers are entitled to refunds each time there is an update?

    So don't get angry if Evony updates the star system. You were the one who ran out and paid $30k. Just because you ran out and paid it does not mean things can't change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    I understand the few players who spent the $30k would be miffed if the star system changed. But here is the counter argument...
    If the ~21 players who spent $30k on their star sets did so because of a flawed star system that never intended players to spend $30k.. then it would be OK to adjust the flaws. And by doing so the few who spent the $30k may have an argument for a refund.

    The other argument is that in business prices change. When something is hot and new it costs more. After time the price drops. Supply/Demand stuff. When the hot new computer comes out it costs alot. Then after some time the price drops. When VCR's first came out they cost ALOT. Then after a while they were dirt cheap. You did not have to run out and buy the first VCR and spend $3k on it just so you could have it before everyone. Those who waited a while got a much better deal.

    Nobody is saying you HAVE to spend the $30k. It was your choice to do so just like the VCR. And what is more, you KNOW this game is not perfect and has bugs and other issues. So if you spent that money assuming the star system worked perfectly then that was your bad, not Evonys. And if Evony needs to update things, which is normal in the world of software because code is never perfect, does that mean customers are entitled to refunds each time there is an update?

    So don't get angry if Evony updates the star system. You were the one who ran out and paid $30k. Just because you ran out and paid it does not mean things can't change.
    i think the star system has changed slightly or i am doing something good, i managed get to full 11 stars just on farmed gems on NA30 a fairly new server, ive spent 1k USD roughly ?600 in BRITISH STERLING..

    i have 9LVL 15 stars and rest are like 10's etc, so yess i have spent 1k but most this been done on farmed gems, today i finally got my 9th LVL15 star, this star took 4 days to get from 0 to lvl15 PURELY on FARMED GEMS so yes it can be done..

    i have spent time as a NO CONIER and time as a COINER and i believe each to there own..

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    I understand the few players who spent the $30k would be miffed if the star system changed. But here is the counter argument...
    The other argument is that in business prices change. When something is hot and new it costs more. After time the price drops. Supply/Demand stuff. When the hot new computer comes out it costs alot. Then after some time the price drops. When VCR's first came out they cost ALOT. Then after a while they were dirt cheap. You did not have to run out and buy the first VCR and spend $3k on it just so you could have it before everyone. Those who waited a while got a much better deal.
    yes and as i said there is a farming element to the stars the price of stars goes down with time any way. becasue 1 year of farming 10s will get you a lot of gems and frankly after about 1 year you might have a 15 star set. The random element of the stars has to be frustrating it was for me prior to having all 15's. with 6 months of farming and a lot of luck some one could have a 15 set. and yea with 5k and a lot of luck some one could have a 15 set. that is the frustrating thing about it when my host and discussed how much we spent on our 15 sets he was like oh my god dont tell me yours cost you 10k less than me and I bet some one has a star set that cost less than mine. already I am seeing my 15 set not as good as it used to be it used to be that i was going agaisnt people with 300 attack lol now i go against people with 500-600

    and yea in 3-6 months you can get a 11-13 star set with spending little or just farming.

    I suppose the hardest thing for farmers is i have 100 blue and red gems to i try to go from 13 to 14 to 15 because 100 gems may not get u back up to 12 and if you wait till you have 500 and you get it on the first try you say what the hell i got all these left over gems. yea however in another post Japanpimp said he would rather have a car than up his stars honestly i enjoy evony more than any car I have ever had. that is the truth.
    Last edited by toeesquire; 05-14-2011 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toeesquire View Post
    yes and as i said there is a farming element to the stars the price of stars goes down with time any way. becasue 1 year of farming 10s will get you a lot of gems and frankly after about 1 year you might have a 15 star set. The random element of the stars has to be frustrating it was for me prior to having all 15's. with 6 months of farming and a lot of luck some one could have a 15 set. and yea with 5k and a lot of luck some one could have a 15 set. that is the frustrating thing about it when my host and discussed how much we spent on our 15 sets he was like oh my god dont tell me yours cost you 10k less than me and I bet some one has a star set that cost less than mine. already I am seeing my 15 set not as good as it used to be it used to be that i was going agaisnt people with 300 attack lol now i go against people with 500-600

    and yea in 3-6 months you can get a 11-13 star set with spending little or just farming.

    I suppose the hardest thing for farmers is i have 100 blue and red gems to i try to go from 13 to 14 to 15 because 100 gems may not get u back up to 12 and if you wait till you have 500 and you get it on the first try you say what the hell i got all these left over gems. yea however in another post Japanpimp said he would rather have a car than up his stars honestly i enjoy evony more than any car I have ever had. that is the truth.
    That is another reason why the system should be changed, the star sets quickly lose their value.

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