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    I spend some money, but not much compared to a lot of players. I buy the odd package when there's something I really want and can get for a few hundred cents. But I've never been tempted to buy gems. Given I can plunder my way to a level 10 star set without too much difficulty means anything above that will need a LOT of gems. And frankly I'm not tempted at all to spend $500 to have 2 chances to go from 12 to 13 stars on rings when both will probably fail.

    What I wish is that Evony didn't firstly flat out lie about the success percentage. We've all seen players get frustrated and use 4 flawless to get from 4 to 5 and find their 100% or 105% chance of success ended up in failure.

    I had 8 falures in a row going from 0 to 1 while trying to recover going to 10 stars. With 1 delicate the odds of that, according to Evony's success stat, is .02%. Yep, in other words I should only have that happen once every 5000 times. Sadly streaks of 4 or 5 falures in a row are all too common. Given all my methods up to level 10 stars have 50% or GREATER odds of success you would think 4-5 successes in a row would be more common than 4-5 failures. It's not.

    If Evony made the upgrades more difficult but didn't take you back to 0 (which makes no sense really) I'd be much happier. I have no problem spending 50 flawless and 100 delicates with 100k gold and 1 of each medal to go from level 10 to 11 if it's guaranteed. Sadly, Evony put as much thought into the stars as the effort they put into customer service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahaml View Post
    I spend some money, but not much compared to a lot of players. I buy the odd package when there's something I really want and can get for a few hundred cents. But I've never been tempted to buy gems. Given I can plunder my way to a level 10 star set without too much difficulty means anything above that will need a LOT of gems. And frankly I'm not tempted at all to spend $500 to have 2 chances to go from 12 to 13 stars on rings when both will probably fail.
    What I wish is that Evony didn't firstly flat out lie about the success percentage. We've all seen players get frustrated and use 4 flawless to get from 4 to 5 and find their 100% or 105% chance of success ended up in failure.
    I had 8 falures in a row going from 0 to 1 while trying to recover going to 10 stars. With 1 delicate the odds of that, according to Evony's success stat, is .02%. Yep, in other words I should only have that happen once every 5000 times. Sadly streaks of 4 or 5 falures in a row are all too common. Given all my methods up to level 10 stars have 50% or GREATER odds of success you would think 4-5 successes in a row would be more common than 4-5 failures. It's not.
    If Evony made the upgrades more difficult but didn't take you back to 0 (which makes no sense really) I'd be much happier. I have no problem spending 50 flawless and 100 delicates with 100k gold and 1 of each medal to go from level 10 to 11 if it's guaranteed. Sadly, Evony put as much thought into the stars as the effort they put into customer service.
    The biggest compalaint is two fold
    1 the overall cost is too much in a game that bills its self as free forever evony can run the number to see if they will make more money if they lower the cost of getting a 15 set I am opposed to it because i paid $22k for it and then two suddenly every one else can get one for $500.
    2 the random element really turns people off because the stakes are so high on every single click i mean when u go from 14 to 15 the stakes are literally $1000 us Dollar it is scary and it sucks to go right back down to 0. They can make it cost x number of gems to go up each level but i think that would leed to lots of complaining becasue to go from 14 to 15 they would have to make it cost liek 12,000 blue gems.

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    I'm amazed to hear people are paying so much money for granted large advantages in this realtively simply game.

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    wtf $22k !!??

    get a life bro

    that, or send 5% of that cash to Moi
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    I think the way the star system is today is very unfair, even to spenders. Because it is a gamble. Say one player gets very lucky. They were able to get a 15 star set for ~$6k. And another player was really unlucky, so they had to spend ~$30k.
    Or one player never paid a dime and did it with 5,000 flawless gems they had farmed over the last 6 months. Another player also farmed for 6 months and got 5,000 flawless but they were unlucky and only have an 8 set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japanpimp View Post
    I think the way the star system is today is very unfair, even to spenders. Because it is a gamble. Say one player gets very lucky. They were able to get a 15 star set for ~$6k. And another player was really unlucky, so they had to spend ~$30k.
    Or one player never paid a dime and did it with 5,000 flawless gems they had farmed over the last 6 months. Another player also farmed for 6 months and got 5,000 flawless but they were unlucky and only have an 8 set.
    yep the random element is madding to all.

    but if Evony did the math and put an actual cost on each star level. it would turn people off to playing all together.

    At each level the costs doubles so it would be thousands of gems for each a 15 star. and if they lowered the price a 15 star set would no be precious it is rare on age 1 for some one to have a 1k hero and a 15 star set gives u a 1k hero. 1k attack should be rare and there should only be a few of them on the server.

    Actually if some one made a guide that actually did the math an calculated exactly how many gems each level cost on average that might quell some of the emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toeesquire View Post
    Actually if some one made a guide that actually did the math an calculated exactly how many gems each level cost on average that might quell some of the emotion.
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=144017

    Someone has made a guide that figures the average number of stars per level. Even if you double the average you can still fail miserably like I did when trying to get from 12 to 13 with 1800 delicate and over 1200 flawless gems only to end up with a level 2 star. Farming the gems to get it back to just 11 has been brutal on my troop count.

    It seems the probability is different for ever player and showing both the odds Evony posts and the probability for an individual based on prior attempts is one way I can think of to take some of the sting of stars.

    The best way they can take the sting from the stars is to have the star drop no lower than the level of the gear. For example someone with a level 9 charm could still fall to 9 on a star, but someone with a level 10 charm would never fall below 10. Of course the person would still have to get the star up to 10 and upgrading the gear would still lower the star level. I bet a lot more people would be willing to spend a bit if the risk was reasonable.

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    1 gear more to for 14 star set. Till now it was just farming and alot of luck.
    last gear failed so i decided to put money and heavy farming.
    Launching around 760-850 attacks per day bringing me minimum of 250 delicates per day and 65-70 flawless. Tried to make 14 , and guess what.
    400 dollars plus 2,4 k delicates 900 flawlees was not enough even reaaching 13 star, just twice 12 and failing from it.
    Thats it no more money from me .
    I will be happy to bring it back to 12 and stay here, and still can beat 15 set player and have a fun.

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    I'm all forcasual vs. cash play,but don't you think the price of the star system sort of negates the slogan-FREE FOREVER.it's free if you plan on being subject to constant plunder by the "elite",those with the money.Oh well,kinda the way the world works in RL anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Vermin View Post
    I'm all forcasual vs. cash play,but don't you think the price of the star system sort of negates the slogan-FREE FOREVER.it's free if you plan on being subject to constant plunder by the "elite",those with the money.Oh well,kinda the way the world works in RL anyway.
    not really if you are not a spender or the kind of spender who spends 15 -30 a month then u know what yea u wont get a 15 set un less you farm for liek 2 years but but u will get 12 set in 3-6 months and a 12 set if played well can compeate with a 15 set it is hard and requires tactics and luck but two or 3 people who team up can beat a player with a 15 set. true if you have an allience with all 15 and all 12 yea guess who will win but on any server there are no more than 4 15 sets on my server there are 2 an my server is close to a year old but there are hundreds and hundreds of players with 12 sets. as i have stated in the past of the problem with evony as far as a free game the spenders seem to find each other and beat up the non spenders rather than ther beign teams with 5 spenders and 95 non spenders we have teams with 90 spenders and verses 90 non spenders i think the package, key and vesta system is to blame if you spend with spenders you get doubble if u spend with non spenders u get 1/2.

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