Global Warming - Really a Scam?

[XxflamesxX]

I just got passed this link where a scientist admits global warming is a scam.
Personally even after reading it i reserve my judgement. I still beilive in Global warming, but i want to know your views and thoughts after you read it.
http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=7670

[SickbyDefinition]

Global Warming is both real and a scam.
As many know throughout history (mostly prehistory), our planet has undergone periods of warming up and then cooling down, warming up and then cooling down. The period between Ice Ages, where the Earth's temperature rises, the time period we are in now, is called the Holocene. So, whether or not we humans were here, the Earth's temperature would rise.
However, we are indeed speeding up the process. We are simply bring another Ice Age closer, faster, but not by much.
Global warming is still a scam because of the money put into it, as that scientist in your article pointed out. No matter what we do, we cannot stop GW, so why donate money for the effort..?
The only thing we can do is lessen our effect on it, which can be done with clean energy, etc.

So.. yeah. If you want me to go into further detail explaining why the Earth goes through periods of warming up and cooling down I can, it's very interesting.. but you'd get a tl:dr post.

[rasterbee]

It's not a scam, we just don't really know what's going on.

Will the sea level rise and drown 2 billion people or will we have a reinactment of 'The Day After Tomorrow'? Nobody knows, because we're just stupid mammals pretending to be intelligent.

Are humans causing climate change by burning fossil fuels or is the documented temperature and weather change just a part of the Earth's natural cycle, i.e. the Earth's period. Nobody knows.

But it's undeniable that the climate has been and is changing. Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is either lying or is just ignorant and has not looked at pictures showing the changes on Mt. Kilimanjaro or the change documented by reputable sources like NOAA and all of the nations that have permanent outposts in Antarctica that show a rise of ~6 celcius over the just the past 50 years.

Edit: In reply to SbD's post, anyone profiting off the fear of global warming/climate change IS scamming people. But the idea of climate change itself is not a scam. But SbD, we do not know for certain that humans are speeding up anything. Really, we just don't know. Anybody who says for certain that humans are is drinking the same kool-aid as the people who say nothing is happening and everything is cool because Jesus is going to come back soon and lead an army of Christans against Satan.

[eric0095]

I agree with Raster/SbD^ and I have nothing more to add other than to say that article was posted on Oct 10,2010...

[Furrr]

I've been into this for a while, and i do think its a scam.
I agree completely with sickbydefinition... The earth has undergone hundreds of changes before we inhabited it, of course, we may be speeding up the process, but it would be happening anyway whether or not we are on the planet.
This, however, does not mean we can simply burn fuel because we aren't necessarily causing any severe damage, its still bad what we're doing to the planet....
If one looks at the amount of greenhouse gases emitted naturally, in comparison to what we produce, it is a tiny, almost insignificant percentage, its almost vain of us to think we are making all these differences
A lot of scientists actually agree with this, and have actually spoken about it, but are often shunned as of course, who would want to disprove this massive worldwide money making scheme.. hmm?

[Morgan le Fay]

Yup I'm with the rest of the gang. The Earth throughout it's history has gone through periods of warmth and then temperatures would drop. There wasn't just one Ice Age, there have been dozens.

I remember reading somewhere London was once home to the big game of the Serengeti.

[rasterbee]

I've been into this for a while, and i do think its a scam.

Well, you're wrong. The Earth's climate is visibly changing before our eyes.

The earth has undergone hundreds of changes before we inhabited it

The Earth has gone through infinity changes before "we" inhabited it. The reason people like Al Gore and all them cry out that humans are wrecking the Earth is because there is a documented increase in the global temperature since we started burning large amounts of coal/oil/natural gases since the Industrial Revolution.

of course, we may be speeding up the process, but it would be happening anyway whether or not we are on the planet.

Everything in this statement is 100% unverifiable. Do you have a model Earth that never evolved humans that you run tests on? We may not at all be speeding up anything. It could be entirely natural. We just don't know.

This, however, does not mean we can simply burn fuel because we aren't necessarily causing any severe damage, its still bad what we're doing to the planet....

You mean cutting down all the forest that produce oxygen? Or do you mean building cities which create heat islands? Or covering the globe in concrete which reduces evapotranspiration? What are we doing to the planet? You're so vague, what the hell are you talking about?

If one looks at the amount of greenhouse gases emitted naturally, in comparison to what we produce, it is a tiny, almost insignificant percentage, its almost vain of us to think we are making all these differences

What do you mean by greenhouse gases? Water vapor? Carbon Monoxide? Nitrogen oxide? Neon? Methane? Krypton? Are you referring to cow farts and volcanoes? The greenhouse effect, which relies on greenhouse gases is vital to existence of life on Earth. Without this layer protecting the globe life as we know it would not exist.

A lot of scientists actually agree with this

Based on what you've said so far, that's totally credible. And your sources don't lie....

and have actually spoken about it, but are often shunned as of course, who would want to disprove this massive worldwide money making scheme.. hmm?

Oh? You mean like electric cars and wind power and solar panels? Guess what? That's because our energy sources are limited. If we use them all up without finding alternative sources of energy a gallon of gasoline will be $100 USD and our global economy will collapse and we'll all be standing around with our thumbs up our butts saying "Well we shouldn't have shunned those scientists who were saying that climate change was a scam because..." peak oil and globalization do consider climate change and are fearful of it but the driving reason behind reducing our fossil fuel dependence is because they will run out and all sorts of crazy crap is going to happen and that would suck hard.

Blah blah blah. I hate stupid people.

[Rodri]

ok.
You don't have to be a scientist to figure out that chopping down forrests, which capture CO2 and then burning fossil fuels, which produces CO2 is not good for any of us. The problem is that the evidence is just not there that we are in a period of global warming due to human activity. The scientists know this and they have said in the past that if we wait until the evidence is clearly there it will be too late to do anything about it. So they doctored up some temperature records and presented them as evidence and it's not really evidence because the records are a small sample that shows an upward curve but if you look at all records, they actually show the planet coming out of a period of below average temperatures and back towards the norm.

Now the other thing they did was to show daytime maximum temperatures, which is not good methodology for measuring global warming due to greenhouse gasses. If you really want to know if tempratures are rising overall, you need to look at nighttime minimum temperatures and see if there is an upward trend there. After all, greenhouse gasses are said to trap heat in the upper atmosphere and reflect it back onto the planet so logically that trapped heat would be easier to measure at night rather than during the day when season and direct sunlight have the most affect on maximum temperatures.

It's all very bad science as far as I can see and Al Gore is not even a scientist. He is a buisnessman who happened to start the first carbon credit trading exchange (since failed due to lack of activity). I don't know if Al's motivation was concern for the planet or profit but I watched his film, thought about it and what I already knew about greenhouse effect and decided it was an over-emotive unscientific piece of work.

I myself would like to see an end to the oil age and the coal age but I remain sceptical that man-made climate change is real, based on the evidence I have seen.

Raster, energy is contained in every atom and is pumped at us in huge amounts every day from our nearest star. It really could be free.

[*jdm*]

Raster, energy is contained in every atom and is pumped at us in huge amounts every day from our nearest star. It really could be free.

Rodri ( serious question) isn't the problem with solar not capturing but storing the energy in large enough quantities?

[Skirata]

I must say Off Topic has for once given me hope and joy. It is good to see a majority recognizing global warming as scientific fact, whether man-affected and/or natural. Scientific literacy is much higher here than at highschool. And for this accomplishment I offer you all rep. Praise be to science!

Global warming is scientific fact and has occurred in the past. Believing otherwise should give you a reserved spot in the eugenics waiting line. The ignorant deserve not to propagate and spread like a virus.