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Thread: Why is discussion on peoples disciplinary action closed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerosmith View Post
    First Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    But Congress can monitor it. Go check Supreme Court records. Why do people take things out of context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkmic View Post
    There are a couple things I would like to point out here. They may seem minor yet make all the difference.



    This is not a public forum, in that the company hosting the forum, is not owned by the public, nor is UMGE. They both are privately own companies, who chooses to make their forums open the public under their guidelines. They are not governed by the same rules that governments are held to. Public courts and other public entities are held to a different stranded than private companies.

    Freedom of speech does not exist here. Our speech (text) here is at the sole pleasure of the board operators. If they so choose, they(UMGE) can close up shop and call it quits, or expand further, There is nothing that says they have to stay in business, they have to provide this forum, or they have to provide the game for free, they do so out good business sense.



    And what makes you think they are not?

    I have operated a MMOG, and hosted/moderated several forums for several years. The Moderators are held accountable, but not you, or the people using this forum. They are held accountable by the parent company, in this case, UMGE. When a moderator is accused for doing some wrong, the parent company has a way of dealing with the situation. Part of which does not include dragging the incident out in to public view.

    This does not leave you without options. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you you have to play this game, or use this forum (at least I hope not).

    If you do not like the game or this forum or the way it is being ran you can choose to:

    1. Voice your concerns, to the Moderators or parent company, privately. Your issue would be more apt to get the proper attention it deserves. The moderators keep their dirty laundry out of the forums, you should too.

    2. not to pay or play the game or use the forum. Nothing speak louder than money walking out the door. To me this is the very last option. How much is your business worth to them? Are you playing for free (which has some value) or you paying $1000 per month, and are they willing to change to keep you as a customer?

    Now to the Moderator defense. Their job is not an easy one. They have to put their personal opinions aside, and judge each posting on it merit. Does a thread help promote the game, or gameplay? If a punishment needs to be handed out how harsh should it be? Should infractions be cumulative? In my experience, all but one moderator resists banning as punishment. Yet, if pushed they can and will. Let the moderators worry closing threads, or deleting posts, that what they do.
    Great post Clarkmic, you summed it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgarwolf View Post
    Why was that thread closed, Whats wrong with people discussing infractions they have received. If people are willing to be forthcoming with the information why arent they allowed to. People can walk into a public court hearing and see punishment and penalties handed down, yet if people wish to voluntarily disclose information they cant ??

    What happened to freedom of speech and what not, or is it more that mods dont want to feel like they are being scrutinized on different penalties for different things, as users we are held accountable for things we post.

    As mods you must be held accountable for infractions that you hand out
    The name of the thread was Someone = Banned (I don't remember who, offhand, but they weren't the person who started the thread). Even if the thread was "discuss your disciplinary action here" it probably would wind up closed, because I dont see how that type of discussion can go any way but badly.
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    I'm not claiming fault on either side of the argument, let me use this as preface, however...

    To all the "private ownership == powah" people:

    Yes, private ownership currently means you get to do basically whatever you wish within your property, however like any modern business that does not mean you want to do whatever you want. You want to be smart.

    So, yes, banning spammers, people who break the rules, blah blah things that make sense and applied equally to all people is smart. Doing such things selectively will cause people to wonder what the dillyo, squashing that questioning with "we can do what we want" instead of "As posted XYZ reason was breached" will turn that questioning into something worse.

    I'm not proclaiming the death of a company from some small actions like forum moderation, I'm merely suggesting that the bottom line is improved by not acting overly draconian and instead promoting a positive environment and relationship.

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    That all depends on how people treat the discussion. Yes the other thread was about whether somebody was banned, but the only person who SHOULD be able to answer that is the person who was banned if their ban was ever lifted. It should not have been up to any other players or mods to answer either way.

    Why do people insist on doing things via pm, are they afraid of looking bad, are they afraid they may have made the wrong decicions and wish to be able to hide it under the carpet ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgarwolf View Post
    That all depends on how people treat the discussion. Yes the other thread was about whether somebody was banned, but the only person who SHOULD be able to answer that is the person who was banned if their ban was ever lifted. It should not have been up to any other players or mods to answer either way.
    Which is why a thread about it is completely inappropriate and was closed.
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    a perfect example of an infraction just came my way ??



    Dear vulgarwolf,

    You have received a warning at Evony Community.

    Reason:
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    Insulted Other Member(s)

    Stop trolling.
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    Original Post:
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?p=137873

    Quote:
    A thread doesnt concern you, doesnt interest you, yet you must feel compelled to post in it.

    What a sad existance you have, i shall leave you alone in this thread

    Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

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    Somebody starts trolling in a thread created, offering no insight, purely creating a post count, i am unsure which part is insulting??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgarwolf View Post
    a perfect example of an infraction just came my way ??



    Dear vulgarwolf,

    You have received a warning at Evony Community.

    Reason:
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    Insulted Other Member(s)

    Stop trolling.
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    Original Post:
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?p=137873

    Quote:
    A thread doesnt concern you, doesnt interest you, yet you must feel compelled to post in it.

    What a sad existance you have, i shall leave you alone in this thread

    Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

    All the best,
    Evony Community



    Somebody starts trolling in a thread created, offering no insight, purely creating a post count, i am unsure which part is insulting??

    I'm not the smartest person in the world, but some make take offense (meaning they are insulted) by being told they have "a sad existance" (misspelled in a quote on purpose). Just curious how many infractions = ban? (3?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRocksALot View Post
    I'm not the smartest person in the world, but some make take offense (meaning they could be insulted) by being told they have "a sad existance" (misspelled in a quote on purpose).
    That seems like an insult to me, as well.

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    Compared with what people have previously said on here, its pretty tame, and the reason was also for trolling, Like he wasnt doing that in a thread not created by him

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