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    Such a discussion would turn into a flame war. "Mods this, mods that." The forum rules lay it all out, but most people don't bother to read them. I haven't. As the record will show, I was informed of the rules one by one.

    As I said, these forums have improved in a short time (let's say less than a two week period - which, coincidentally, is also the length of time for some suspensions.) I don't see a need to revisit what is already posted. However, there is room for discussion.

    What are the ranges for suspensions anyway?

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    Maybe our forum isn't ready for something like that, then. I don't know. I think the forum as whole (and yes, I mean it all, take that as you will) needs to 'grow' a little, or as you said, improve. I've had faith that it would for a while, and I'm glad that at least a few people see it has, if even a tiny bit.

    I'll stand by it until I can't anymore, even at the risk of sounding like a cheesy idiot.

    And I don't think there's technically a limit on suspension lengths, to be perfectly honest. Scary, right?
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    I askked because if I start a thread of this nature, there will have to be enforceable guidelines. As in, trolls, flamers, flamebaiters and the assortment of naysayers who are only in it to attack will all need a vactaion - say, 24 hours. Is that doable? This would keep the disruptions to a minimum.

    To be honest, I don't think there would even be that much participation. Those who want to flame mods/admins will continue to do so. Likewise, those who want to attack UMGE or vent their frustrations will also continue on that course. Rules and infractions are only of interest to those who want to bend hte rules. I should, I have tested the waters when the waters were much rougher.

    The point of a rules/infraction discussion would be two-sided: and advisory side and a challenge side. This establishes a conflict before even commencing. What would be the point then?

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    We've come full circle. The best policy is to have mods who enforce the rules. However, the debate on how rigid said rules are is still open. As things stand now, the enforcement is fine... with some positives and some negatives.

    The queen threads were off-topic most of the time and ourageous at others. Positive. Those posters were enjoying the lively conversations.

    Lack enforecement has also surfaced. For example, the "Dawnseeker, come out and face, talk to us... the protesrors" thread is pure flamebait. DS knows this and won't engage in that discussion. However, a handful of would-be flamers keep bumping the thread. That particular thread should have been closed on first sight. If the OP, or anyone else has a question for DS about his "promise," then they need to go to him privately. This is a matter of respect for all parties concerned, not the least of which is the Evony community. Having such obvious bait sitting there, is a cancer which serves no purpose other than to scare off new players.

    I'm happy with the situation as it is. If, however, it were to regress to its former state, I might have a thing or two to say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    We've come full circle. The best policy is to have mods who enforce the rules. However, the debate on how rigid said rules are is still open. As things stand now, the enforcement is fine... with some positives and some negatives.
    You are always going to have that, regardless of the forum topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    Lack enforecement has also surfaced. For example, the "Dawnseeker, come out and face, talk to us... the protesrors" thread is pure flamebait. DS knows this and won't engage in that discussion. However, a handful of would-be flamers keep bumping the thread. That particular thread should have been closed on first sight. If the OP, or anyone else has a question for DS about his "promise," then they need to go to him privately. This is a matter of respect for all parties concerned, not the least of which is the Evony community. Having such obvious bait sitting there, is a cancer which serves no purpose other than to scare off new players.
    Could enforcement be better, the answer is yes.
    Could the Moderators do a better job, again yes.
    There is always room for improvement.
    I have to agree the thread you mentioned should have been closed, unless DS plans to address it. ( I know, I wouldn't)
    in most cases a PM is the best way to handle conflicts. Unless there is 'public' concern, most enforcement actions should be keep private.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    I'm happy with the situation as it is. If, however, it were to regress to its former state, I might have a thing or two to say about that.
    Again calling on my years of experience of operating a MMOG and several forums, you will find enforcement will be cyclic. From the hard core, banning at the first misstep, to the almost anything goes, and back.

    Some key things to take from this thread,
    Respect. Treat everyone with the same level of respect that you would expect treated with. (AKA the Golden Rule)
    Conflicts. If you have a conflict with a moderator, or another forumuser, or even an administrator, PM them. Unless the is an inherent public interest, keep it off the boards.

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    My approach is fairly simple: Unless it involves the community (in total, not just a few whiners), then keep it private.

    Dirty laundry is not meant to be seen unless its in your yard... and its not yours... and there are huge granny panties.. ERP! I just thre up a little.. in my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    My approach is fairly simple: Unless it involves the community (in total, not just a few whiners), then keep it private.
    Some will argue that issue regarding discipline does involve the community has a whole. And other will say the moderators will ban whoever whenever they please and the moderators need to be kept in check by the community. I know that is not the case.

    Going back to some of my original statements on the issues; The moderators do not answer to the community. They are selected by Evony/UMGE to moderate the forums. They answer directly to Evony/UMGE. Enforcement issues are for the moderators and Evony/UMGE to deal with, not the community.

    As far as the community as a whole is concerned, they need to know and follow the rules, and know that if they break the rules there will be repercussions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    Dirty laundry is not meant to be seen unless its in your yard... and its not yours... and there are huge granny panties..
    Bad visual, Baaaaad visual

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    There should at least be some better terminology.

    Bans are permantent.
    Suspenstions are for a period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempion View Post
    There should at least be some better terminology.

    Bans are permanent.
    Suspensions are for a period of time.
    Rewrite/reword the rules?

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    If necessary, then yeah. I tend not to read rules, but the only term I have seen used is "ban"

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