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[Montros]

I absolutely 100% without a doubt do not support the death penalty for anyone no matter what their crime. No gov't or organization has the right to order the murder of a human. However, war or 1 person killing another for whatever reason does not bother me as much. War is necessary, so I don't think I need to explain that anymore. But like lets say the father of one of the murdered teenagers shoots Anders Behring Breivik in the face and kills him...I'm cool with that. He'll get charged with murder, of course, but his act of killing another human is not as immoral as a gov't or organization deciding whether or not Anders Behring Breivik should be executed or put in prison for life.

My views are a little odd, but my stance on the death penalty is the global norm. Your viewpoint is the minority, Montros.

Okay, I see. You're with the "if you think you're better than everyone else and you can decide who lives or dies, then your a complete A-hole" thing.

So, what if he does get out of jail/death penalty? If Norway does the same legal stuff as America, you can't get charged with the same crime again.

[rasterbee]

Okay, I see. You're with the "if you think you're better than everyone else and you can decide who lives or dies, then your a complete A-hole" thing.

Uh.....sorta

I think?

Basically if you think someone else should die, then you go kill them yourself.

So, what if he does get out of jail/death penalty? If Norway does the same legal stuff as America, you can't get charged with the same crime again.

You must have skimmed one of my previous posts. 21 years is the max you can be in prison for in Norway. But you can be held in "custody" indefinitely. They will most likely hold him in custody until he is in his 70s or 80s then sentence him to 21 years in prison. And again, there is no death penalty in Norway.

Here, read that.

[Digger Walters]

This is just.... completely... terrible!
Wtf was the guy thinking, murdering over political preferences?
This guy deserves the worse punishment anyone can think of (there are things worse than death), I disagree with torture but this guy deserves it.

Probably will get howled down for this but in the China of the Emperor's you used to be able to be castrated instead of killed and it wasn't "We're just gonna chop these two off... ohhh no you're gonna lose the lot..."... Maybe he should be given that opportunity over the death sentence... but in my opinion... lock the ******* up and throw away the key... let him rot... I'm gonna put him in prison let the prison rot round him then build a new one and let that one rot round him too... you know those sort of cliches... Because if it were me I would rather be told to walk a certain direction in a paddock and they would shoot me at one point then rot in prison for the rest of my life...

[Skirata]

So, this Anders dude can't get the death penalty for killing over 80 innocent teens with no means of protecting themselves, and bombing a Prime Minister's HQ, while that black guy from "The Green Mile" gets Maxwell's Silver Hammer for being falsely accused of killing two girls?

What the ****? I understand that being jailed for life is worse than being killed instantly, but I believe that if theres even the SLIGHTEST chance of him getting out, he should be killed. For good.

Usually (at least in USA), it costs more money for a prisoner on deathrow than for life. Also death penalty does not prevent crimes of passion so it is useless as a deterrent.

[Digger Walters]

Usually (at least in USA), it costs more money for a prisoner on deathrow than for life. Also death penalty does not prevent crimes of passion so it is useless as a deterrent.

Here we don't have the death penalty... but we do have life sentences (40yrs or some stupid number that rarely get's handed down) and for a standard prisoner it costs us $400 per prisoner per day... and going by that (assuming it's the same over there) it must cost you guys a fortune per death row bloke....

[rasterbee]

I think Skirata is talking about the cost of legal work required to put some one down.

If you get the death sentence you're going to do everything you can to get out of it and the lengthy appeals process gets very expensive for the gov't/tax payer.

[Lucas101]

Usually (at least in USA), it costs more money for a prisoner on deathrow than for life. Also death penalty does not prevent crimes of passion so it is useless as a deterrent.

This is what drives most people up the wall. Why spend all this extra money and then kill the prisoner? Why not just take him out behind the court house and shoot him after the trial ... it would be cheaper wouldnt it?

It always comes down to this ... Is it fair to the general public in terms of keeping the inmate alive since they are in fact the ones paying for his meals and 'shelter'. The way I look at it is that this is what society pays in order to prevent anarchy from becoming a reality. Sure its cheaper to go out and shoot someone rather then keep them alive at tax payer expense but if you look back at history drawing and quartering someone wasnt enough to deter murderers so why do people think that putting a bullet in the back of someones head will do the trick?

I for one would be much more scared of spending my entire life locked up like an animal then getting shot and killed. Even prisoners realize that everyones time to die comes, but living with the frustration of a wasted life does, in my opinion, a better job of deterring crime.

[Skirata]

Here we don't have the death penalty... but we do have life sentences (40yrs or some stupid number that rarely get's handed down) and for a standard prisoner it costs us $400 per prisoner per day... and going by that (assuming it's the same over there) it must cost you guys a fortune per death row bloke....

Every prisoner on death row is given unlimited appeals. That is the money drain.

[Boleslav]

Rasterbee's understanding of the Norwegian legal system is correct, Montros. Very few countries in the developed world execute their criminals, in part because of the difficulty involved when judicial review reveals mistrials etc. As a country that wants to be very close to the European Union, there is no way that Norway can execute criminals.

[Skirata]

pro-death choice

But not all convicts commit the crimes they weere accused. That is why they get appeals. It is fair as far as I see. My money goes to the ones fighting for their lives.