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    Evony needs a queen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocih View Post
    That's the problem.
    I don't need tissue and I don't need to prove that to anyone.

    Each server in the game is insured fail ratio for a substantial percentage of the population on that server and while I might be wrong, I don't see what is left as being enough to support that or any of the servers.

    "A better army won".

    That's true. The problem is, they will be back. Again and again. They will feed on you untill you leave. Once you are broken, you are on the way out. Pigheadedness might prolong the even but it's over.
    Out of truces? Out of teleporters?

    To me that big long story (the first intro part of you always making 3 accounts is unecessary), equates to:

    I got beat by a bigger army. They will now stalk me. I fallen and I can't get up.

    Yes, this game is no MMO. MMO's usually have mechanisms to ensure the ones that have lost can get back up. This game is a war game. There will ALWAYS be players who lose out in this type of game? Why? Because it is simply all out PvP. There are no zone restrictions, no toggle switch outside of 12 hour truce, and no I go invisible (even though that'd be a cool item wouldn't it?)

    So what do you do? You act like the barb cities. Ensure your resources are low and used up. Protect your army that you silently build. Make yourself not a worthy target.

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    Even after reading the thread, I don't see what the point of it is.
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    Point is I think:

    He got beaten over-and-over and can't recover. So feeling he has no way around it, the army attacking him is "invincible."

    But I looked at your wall defenses and they are very poor

    You need to have a lot more ATs and an army to back them up.

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    Why doesn't his alliance help him then......Thats what they are there to do.....pool together to take down a bigger member thats a threat.....You bait him to attack then have five members reinforce their archers and BOOM he doesn't come back any more........Unless your like me and you come back with a huge army to barb the city in spite of the guy.....Thats when you run away.....you pick your battles, you pick your get aways and you chat with people.....some times you can talk them down...other times you Teleport. Thats the game ....live with it.
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    What Grim Reaper pointed out is the #1 way to stop someone from coming back for more.

    Bait them.
    Alliance reinforces you.
    His army gets eaten.
    You get all the honor.

    Guarantee he won't be coming back.

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    I don't think he's in an alliance, which is, the biggest mistake in this game.

    The #1 thing you should do is find an alliance NEARBY you and join up. Reinforce each other, win. Get lewtz. It isn't a war game but it is close, and it is certainly a team game no doubt about it. Until wall defenses become invincible, then I dunno what it is. I hear people say they're patching that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocih View Post
    Just like it was when I started. Nothing has changed. But if you have walls 9, Archery 9, you are invincible they said. Sisohiv had Walls 7, Archery 7, a wall full of Archer towers and a modest army. It didnt matter. 45K Archers, an Archer research of 8 or 9 and he wiped out her army, her resources, her gold, her defences. There is no motive to stay. Someone has her number (Coords). They have proven to be stronger than her and no matter how strong she gets, they will be stronger than her. She is at thier mercy or lack of it as is the case in Evony.
    This isn't evidence that players are unable to defend themselves. It is evidence that 2k ATs can not hold off twenty times their number unaided.

    Look, I am sorry this guy got beat, but he has the kind of defenses people come out of newbie protection with. As example:

    http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6766/26992526.png

    No cash items, I haven't even used all my speed ups, and I have used a whole lot of resourced medal farming. I got about 24-36 hours of newbie protection left, and I got half his defenses. By the end I will have more then he has.

    If you count my army, I actually better able to defend against an army then his first wave, and I am still in newbie protection. Don't blame NPC farming, because you can not farm NPCs in noob protection.

    Right now with the wall buff, having closed gates is bad tactics.
    Right now with the wall buff, having traps and such is a waste of resources. Should have build more ATs.
    Right now with the wall buff, Allied armies kick 100% more tail then attacking armies.
    Right now with the wall buff, the unlimited troops you can put in a city kick 100% more tail then attacking armies.
    Right now with a level 10 embassy and 500k archers, your army can kick 3000% more tail then attacking armies.

    Inactive off line players in bad alliances with their gates closed and small armies are not invincible. That is true. Active players in good alliances with moderate armies and good alliances are.

    All the high end players complaining about invincible targets are complaining because they do not want guys like this victim to be the only people they can attack.

    Thanks for helping perpetuate the newbie slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassikas View Post
    This isn't evidence that players are unable to defend themselves. It is evidence that 2k ATs can not hold off twenty times their number unaided.

    Look, I am sorry this guy got beat, but he has the kind of defenses people come out of newbie protection with. As example:

    http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6766/26992526.png

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    Inactive off line players in bad alliances with their gates closed and small armies are not invincible. That is true. Active players in good alliances with moderate armies and good alliances are.

    All the high end players complaining about invincible targets are complaining because they do not want guys like this victim to be the only people they can attack.

    Thanks for helping perpetuate the newbie slaughter.
    I must agree this time with Kas. For my own amusement I started a new toon on 14, which has been up 3 days (I got a late start on it though) and I hopped out of BP early to stretch my legs before others. So in two days, building from scratch (no prebuilt buildings, no production at start, etc.) I already have 500AT and 750 archers ready to go with lvl 5 archery (and a few thousand meat shields) and I produce 100k wood / hr to keep me building more. Though I could have stayed in BP and hamstringed myself, I would have similar defenses, and at the end of the 7 days I would have at least as many or more AT as posted in the OP, and thousands of troops ready to fight and die for me. Even 40k archers would probably second guess themselves and thats for a town coming straight out of beginners protection, not a weeks-into-game town.

    Also I don't want to be a jerk Ocih, but your playing style really doesn't fit with this game, as I told you in another thread. You once said to me "4 days is forever" in response to my saying that turning off production for 4 days isnt a solution to a bully problem. Well it looks like it was forever wasn't it? Those 4 days you were playing possum the guys around you were growing and prospering, making alliances and preparing to expand. Then the days you felt safe to begin to rebuild they were growing even more.

    Just like on the school yard, the tactic of curling up into a little ball isn't the right way to get someone to stop picking on you. Well maybe it is until the next time you have to curl up into a ball but you're going to end up spending a lot of time quite unhappy, as you proven in this thread.
    Last edited by pokey; 06-07-2009 at 02:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinothepony View Post
    Out of truces? Out of teleporters?

    To me that big long story (the first intro part of you always making 3 accounts is unecessary), equates to:

    I got beat by a bigger army. They will now stalk me. I fallen and I can't get up.

    Yes, this game is no MMO. MMO's usually have mechanisms to ensure the ones that have lost can get back up. This game is a war game. There will ALWAYS be players who lose out in this type of game? Why? Because it is simply all out PvP. There are no zone restrictions, no toggle switch outside of 12 hour truce, and no I go invisible (even though that'd be a cool item wouldn't it?)

    So what do you do? You act like the barb cities. Ensure your resources are low and used up. Protect your army that you silently build. Make yourself not a worthy target.
    I like that example.
    "Act like a Barb city"
    Remain the same level for the duration of the game,
    get farmed 3 times daily because you are close and convenient.
    Become a servant to someone elses success.

    - 3 teleports
    - You are in and out of truce just in time for the person farming you to log back in. They are useless.

    Don't change evony though. Much like these threads, they get ignored unless there is an opportunity to attack.

    Of course there are only about 1000 people who who post on a daily basis here and if the boards were servers, we could purge most of them.
    Last edited by Lara Croft; 06-07-2009 at 05:04 PM. Reason: All Thumbs

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