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Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melri View Post
    8 days

    Evony 8 Botters 0

    No real bot solution found as of now
    (and no, the captcha window popping up in the bot client is not a solution - it defeats the reason why a person bots anyway, to be able to play even if the player is not physically present)

    Melri, it has been offered in a couple other posts that a bot can be used simply to save all the clicking (e.g. the really long list for queueing troops cited in this thread). So, it seems people can employ bots while in front of the screen, just to save all the clicking of queueing, sending farming runs, etc. I'd assume many/most botters do run them 24/7 (how evony does not ban them is beyond me--even with insomnia there is some need for sleep--nobody can live without any sleep and it's against rules to have more than one person running an account), but it appears to me that some botters use a bot to do all their clicking (which, I admit, makes botting a temptation, as I'm sure evony has greatly contributed to what I think is carpal tunnel on my mouse wrist--do I hear a call for a properly working "favorite attacks" click list?).

    So, yes, captcha window popping up in the bot client is a solution if a bot is used in the ways some have suggested on this forum. I understand you want to champion what captcha seems to be doing, but no matter how much you want the captcha popup in a bot to not be a solution, it still is.

    "Only a sith deals in absolutes." - Obi-Wan Kenobi

    How's this?...
    Complete solution: Evony 8, bot 0
    Partial solution: Evony 4, bot 4 (or whatever ratio shows how long that solution has existed)

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    glad your tweaking it to make it better .. good job thantium

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    Haha look at the botters scramble!!!

    hmmmm Bot makers are rubbing there hands together. Been a while now since EV presented them with a new challenge.
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    Finally evony is doing something about botters!!! i was considering getting one since a good chunk of the servers bot and a post earlier about customer service You guys need REAL PEOPLE in there not Auto-messages i report a botter and get auto-message really ticks me off

    but 2 thumbs up for this !
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    Thank you thantium your work is appreciated.

    If this works out right , the b0ts will be gone Yahoo! , there should be more active chat seeing how all the b0ts should be gone and it will be hard to play multiple servers entering captcha on every server . Dont you always hate it when you got these players in alliance chat saying " i been over on this server or that server sorry for not being here" or a host that host's multiple servers at once that never seems to be around because he never really tuned into one specific server or alliance thus neglecting all the servers of a good host at the same time .

    If all the b0ts will be gone in the long run this will force all alliances to consider mergeing with others . Servers will become smaller and smaller and mergeing servers should be a good thing.
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    This is why i love age 2. I run out of food i dont lose my troops i just cant farm lol. Ive run out of food a bunch of times but since i have lots of gold i just buy food and farm. Age 1 should have implemented something like this. You can lose food allday long but just dont refuge. Makes it so when u have troops and u cant play u dont worry about losing all ur troops u built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantium View Post
    Greetings all,

    Here is your daily post to blow out of proportion and flame me on!!!

    We have modified the captcha to add a reload feature so if you get one of those unreadable ones. This will help on those really hard to read ones. You asked for it, and you got it! We will still be working on it and tweaking some things.


    As a second note I need to reiterate what the last 3 pages have been complaining about.

    THE CAPTCHA WILL NOT LOG YOU OUT, THE CAPTCHA WILL NOT LOG YOU OUT.


    If you are AFK and the captcha comes up, the game will continue to run, and you should still see chat. You will not be able to enter any game commands, untill the captcha is answered.

    If you are being logged out when the captcha pops, it is because your "client" has sent in commands while the captcha is up, this can only happen if you are using a bot, as the normal game client cannot do this, and has been extensively tested.

    I'm reasonably confident that this system is working 100% correctly as in 100 pages of posts not one person has said that the pop up occurred and they got logged out while playing. I'll say that again.... Amazingly only people that AFK are saying they got logged out. I had the captcha up unanswered on the entire QA testing group of computers running multiple windows/tabs/ browsers OS' etc. About 75 different accounts and not a single one logged off last night, and they all had the captcha up when I looked at them. All stayed logged in.

    For the people that have submitted CS tickets in regards the captcha logging them off, we have asked them if they would like for us to review the player log data, with a warning that if we see bot use in the player logs ( pretty easy actually with a manual review) We will suspend and or close the account. So far every single person that was told this asked that we not inspect their account. We are looking for a example that we can verify where a captcha logged a player out while they where afk.
    It still logs you out, when you get it wrong after 2 or 3 tries and when you are not there to enter it, say you're cooking dinner or your kids get hurt and you walk away from your computer...logs you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantium View Post
    Greetings all,


    THE CAPTCHA WILL NOT LOG YOU OUT, THE CAPTCHA WILL NOT LOG YOU OUT.

    Great news. If you could somehow allow a user say 90 seconds after they close the captcha to do emergency "maintenance" on their account ( IE recall attakcs, close gates, open gates, hit truce, whatver ) then people would have a whole lot less to complain about re. gameplay

    Just an idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesiLee View Post
    It still logs you out, when you get it wrong after 2 or 3 tries and when you are not there to enter it, say you're cooking dinner or your kids get hurt and you walk away from your computer...logs you out.
    Please send a cs ticket attention Thantium and I will review your player logs to see why this happened, please be aware that we can easily see the bots when we manually review player use logs. We will suspend the account if we find botting in the player logs. Please include browser with version, OS, flash version, screen size, and any other details so we can test this.

    I look forward to your ticket, so I can find if this is actually happening, and if there is actually an issue. So far with the around 65 people that have claimed this, we have not found an example that was not conclusively caused by a bot, but we are still looking incase there is a bug we missed.

    As for logging you out if you fail 2 or 3 times.... Well... You need to fail 4 times in a row, then it will give you a new captcha and you get 5 captchas I think before it logs you out. ( it may be 5 and 4 I forget) The captcha is not coded to log you out if you fail it 2 or 3 times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesiLee View Post
    DawnSeeker,

    Is there any way we can get a hearing device put on or get the Captcha's put in black and white? I've repeatedly explained to Evony that I'm color blind, mainly tone blind on red and blue tones. This Captcha violates the Americans with Disabilities Act by not providing one or the other. Please help!

    While a correct answer could help reduce the amount of Captcha's you receive in a day, think about those of us that could have disabilities and you can understand my frustrations. I've been playing this game since the start of server 83, I'm receiving these Captcha's every 2 minutes because I can't answer most of them correctly or have to click login until one comes up that I can read.

    You need black and white and a hearing example for those whom can not visually see these Captcha's. I'm of course not familiar with law's in other countries but I would assume they also have something similar to the Americans with Disabilities Act ongoing.

    I've holiday'd my account because after a day of trying to figure out these codes every 2 minutes, I've given up. If nothing is done to assist those of us that can't see the Captcha's, I will be quitting the servers. While that might not matter to you, it matters to the alliance I run and the people I've come to know closely.

    You want Captcha's, ok no problem. But above all abide the laws that govern the countries your product is used in.

    A few notes on this.

    ADA does not apply to video games, this has been proven repeatedly

    We are looking at Audio options.

    We added a refresh button to help, when you get an impossible one.

    The captcha was designed to pass the all colorblindness test... The shade of the letters is always darker then the background so there is no issue with this. Example IF we had light red or light green letters, with a matching background brightness value it would be hard or impossible to see the captcha for some CB people. In our case the text is always darker then the background. In your case of a reb/blue discrimination you would have issues telling the difference between red and blue that was the exact same shade. having dark red or blue on a dark background or light red/blue on light background might cause issues for you.

    As there is no red/blue color blindess described in any medical literature I will address the 2 you might have. If you have another please tell me which one you have so that I can make sure the captcha will address this.

    Tritanomaly (.01% of m/f population the only non sex linked CB) An issue with Blue cones, which makes blues appear to be green, this would not be an issue, with any captcha we would use

    Protanomaly (.1% males/ .01 % females) An issue with red, which causes reds to appear black or grey depending on the brightness of the red, again not an issue with any captcha we would use.

    As for getting the captcha every 2 minutes, the system is not coded for that short of a time frame even at the max level of repeated failures. You can submit a ticket attention me, and I can review player log data to see if there is a bug in the code. Keep in mind that closing the captcha counts as a fail. So please use the new reload button. The other way way to trigger a fail is to not be able to answer a captcha in 20 tries, 5 captchas with 4 tries per. (that may be inverted)

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