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Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaosADnz View Post
    have you not seen the 10 odd posts about them tracking people logging into different accounts and banning? maybe you should read through the whole lot before you reply
    I would suggest you take some of your own advice, because what the discussion about looking into things and banning based on IP addresses came about from was someone here on the forum talking about how they botted and did other rule-breaking, so the company saw this and decided to investigate.

    How did they get the IP address?

    The forum software itself provides the IP address of the person posting.

    The IP address was obtained through vBulletin, not through the game client.

    All this theorizing about how there's something super-duper-new-and-special going on in the client with respect to IP address tracking and whatever is, at least if based on what really happened with the banned account being referenced, is nothing more than an attempt to stir the pot based on a misunderstanding of what really happened.

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    Mass fail , wrong post
    Last edited by systemabuser; 08-04-2011 at 08:39 PM. Reason: wrong post

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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    I would suggest you take some of your own advice, because what the discussion about looking into things and banning based on IP addresses came about from was someone here on the forum talking about how they botted and did other rule-breaking, so the company saw this and decided to investigate.

    How did they get the IP address?

    The forum software itself provides the IP address of the person posting.

    The IP address was obtained through vBulletin, not through the game client.

    All this theorizing about how there's something super-duper-new-and-special going on in the client with respect to IP address tracking and whatever is, at least if based on what really happened with the banned account being referenced, is nothing more than an attempt to stir the pot based on a misunderstanding of what really happened.
    are you deluded? everyone has an ip address every time you connect to evony your ip address gets logged, they can check anyone's ip address and it has been said, he even said he could check the ip addresses of a certain user, and that said user was connecting to multiple accounts on the server, and thats why he got banned. so wtf are you talking about
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    Yo dawg, this food is freakin tight. Holla back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaosADnz View Post
    are you deluded? everyone has an ip address every time you connect to evony your ip address gets logged, they can check anyone's ip address and it has been said, he even said he could check the ip addresses of a certain user, and that said user was connecting to multiple accounts on the server, and thats why he got banned. so wtf are you talking about
    I think you 2 are actually agreeing on this one...

    Yes that is what happened someone bragged that they multiple accounts, the forum software just like ALL forum software does stores the posting IP. I looked at the posting IP, and ran it against my support tools and it was amazing what I found... Multiple accounts.

    You 2 are correct there is no magic, or some super secret special program that yielded this magic info, any website, forum or game can do this.

    Now the really magical secret program is the one that lets me know what color socks you are wearing!!! Really some of you need new socks... mismatched plaid really?

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    So apparently Evony severely censors these posts, in a nutshell..
    Evony is trying to fix the botter issue by making EVERYONE deal with this captcha, now several different people have given their different reasons for not liking this and I've watched them get flamed. Whether their reasoning or min for that matter makes sense to you or not oh well. We always have the option to leave and I for one will. I refuse to be harassed by this inconvenience for the greater good.
    I play by the rules, and now I have to deal with inputting a captcha at some random time. I will waste my money somewhere else then. While were talking aboot waste. Instead of wasting your time with this ludicrous idea, how aboot fixing one we all know you can solve. These flats that get filled by players in BP then don't get swept forever because they go inactive, after x amount of days the server is open close it. What aboot sharing account info? It should throw a flag when an account is accessed from Australia and the US in the same day. And the bot, if you cant beat them join them, make your own bot.

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    omg have you got a camera in my house.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantium View Post

    THE CAPTCHA WILL NOT LOG YOU OUT, IF YOU ARE USING A BOT THE CAPTCHA WILL LOG YOU OUT. The game client will stay open and teh game will continue to run if you are using the official client.

    As a warning, if you are using a bot, we can see it in the player log data very easily when we manually review the data. If we find that you are using a bot we will suspend or close the account.
    Will people that use a macro recorder be banned to ? this statement leads me to believe that only those using an "un-official client" to log in will be banned ? p.s. i havent used a bot.... just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaosADnz View Post
    everyone has an ip address every time you connect to evony your ip address gets logged, they can check anyone's ip address and it has been said, he even said he could check the ip addresses of a certain user, and that said user was connecting to multiple accounts on the server, and thats why he got banned. so wtf are you talking about
    ...because the IP address is STORED here on the FORUM SOFTWARE. That's where the address was OBTAINED FROM, not from the client. Yes, it is reported through the client as well, but that would've taken a lot of effort to go through and try to figure out what IP address was that individual, given that they already had a one-to-one, 100% for sure match based on the IP address from the forum post.

    From there, they took the address and queried the game server database(s) for the same IP.

    Where you all are going ballistic is you think it was done via the game client, but it was not. The forum software was how the IP was obtained, then cross-referenced with the SERVER database(s).

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    This Captcha thing is the wrong way to go about this. This "solution" harms every player due to inopportune timing of the Captcha popup. Even if Evony did actually find some way to end botting (which I doubt is even possible), all that would accomplish would be to cause a dramatic increase in alt accounts. To try to curtail botting without simultaneously dealing with alt accounts is pointless.

    It will dramatically shift the balance of power on servers, and cause all of the smaller players to quit. Someone with an instant-everything hero and 25 alt accounts would be completely unstoppable. As it stands, people who bot can build up enough food to the point where they can actually defend against the aforementioned players.

    The correct way to go about fixing the botting issue is to address WHY people bot. If you address the reasons that people bot, then people would have no need!

    Some of the main reasons people bot are:

    1) Farming sucks. It REALLY sucks. To feed a large army is basically a full-time job. People play this game to fight, socialize and have fun, not to spend countless hours and thousands of clicks per day farming.

    2) It takes WAAAAAAY too many clicks (and time) to do even the simplest tasks like queuing troops and farming. Say hello to Carpal Tunnel Syndrome! Just a few simple changes could dramatically improve this! Farming would not nearly be such a chore if it merely took a couple clicks per NPC. Evony has made ZERO effort to reduce the number of clicks required to do things... why?

    3) To be able to defend against other players who have instant-everything heroes and unlimited resources (from alt accounts).

    4) No auto-heal (like there is in Age II). It is ridiculously easy to kill an immense number of someone's troops while they're sleeping or at work.


    Age II has made an attempt to address many of the causes of botting, which is why far fewer players feel the need to bot in Age II.

    A few minor changes in the game could dramatically reduce botting, without harming in any way the players who do not. This is so simple.. why doesn't Evony get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantium View Post
    Now the really magical secret program is the one that lets me know what color socks you are wearing!!! Really some of you need new socks... mismatched plaid really?
    Those aren't socks ~sigh~ tis an ugly story, not for the tender eyes of the gentle souls here. Is there nowhere I can go to escape the ridicule?!

    Anyhoo, logged into ss57 for 5ish hours now, still only 1 captcha, and about 20 seconds of doom clock. Has anyone pointed out to the kids worried about the chance of a captcha ruining their timing that the chances of the lag ruining your timing was 100%? 3 minutes to flip the gate and all that. If it hasn't happened to you, it has happened to a few people you know.

    I reiterate. BRAVO! Wish it could have happened a bit sooner.

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