Page 141 of 160 FirstFirst ... 4191131139140141142143151 ... LastLast
Results 1,401 to 1,410 of 1592

Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

  1. #1401
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Building a religion... a limited edition...
    Posts
    15,996

    Default



    Now can we all stop the pointless bickering? You know who you are.


  2. #1402

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Khornes View Post
    u say that lag can cuase u the same problem a captcha will with if u ever attacked for real or defended is false u can account for lag rather easy if your a real player but i SUSPECT your a casual /social player so don't really care what happens or know how to adjust to lag a captcha poping up in the middle on the otherhand is completely different especially when it's random and never know when it's goin to pop up the argument for timing isn't the captcha itself it'as the not knowing part u can compensate if u k now it's coming but if u don't bye bye army and res
    So you know when lag is coming ? You can guess how long the clock will spin under lag ? Your whole post there made not much sense .

    Captcha is a good thing overall .

  3. #1403

    Default

    stop multi accounts, stop bots, stop cheaters/hackers, stop fake account used to fill the state and please provide better customer service. would be nice if started by stopping multi accounts .

  4. #1404

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LORDBEASTwn1 View Post
    Alright... For whoever above that posted they should make a farmer to run while we are offline?
    Go play AgeII. No need to farm you can "have the freedom of the daily chore of making a living".
    So quit botting and get out of our game. Dont play if you want to cheat.
    did u stop to think we played age 2 it suked go try it yourself see how u like it some of us can farm for massive armies off our own back not al of us spend our time chatting to alliance members no matter how fun it may be get off your high horse and stop assuming

    Quote Originally Posted by Pantea View Post
    Maybe you should crawl back under your rock you crawled out from. You have no basis for your claim that majority. Even with a couple of hundred posting on here. It doesn't represent the vast majority. I played for years before here now deciding to post and speak up. Are there many more like me, likely yet I will not make a claim there is multitudes of others, I don't have that data. So your claim the players are not divided is ludicrous moronic statement. You sir are the troll.

    I expect not a level playing fielding. Its impossible with two factors of time and money influencing the over all outcome. What I hope is that it is fair to all and that cheating is eliminated. We are not owed anything else beyond what we purchase when we spend money. The time we spend is totally up to us. However, if I spend money or invest time it irks me that someone lazy and not as intelligent or skilled can circumvent the rules and gain an advantage.

    So in other words to the cheaters you can all kiss my
    can i kiss it either way?

    Quote Originally Posted by berryboo View Post
    So you know when lag is coming ? You can guess how long the clock will spin under lag ? Your whole post there made not much sense .

    Captcha is a good thing overall .
    alot of us deal with lag everyday so guessing is not so it's there and learning to deal with it is natural a random captcha pop up is not
    Last edited by Khornes; 08-06-2011 at 12:07 PM. Reason: Double post
    Excuse the grammar and spelling. never did really pass english in school

  5. #1405

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post


    Now can we all stop the pointless bickering? You know who you are.

    hi acree can u answer a question for me

    will this captchas cause me to lose all my troops if it pops up at the wrong time and think of the worst time it could pop up at befor u answer this please


    after u answer this can u honestly say that this captchas is to help people who are playing


    any response would be nice thank you

  6. #1406

    Default Identifying the problem...

    Many people have tactfully voiced valid concerns and even proposed possible solutions to these problems. They have been met with condescension and ridicule, both by members of the Evony community, and by the moderators themselves. We should all be looking objectively at these issues, examining the FACTS, and trying to find a solution.

    FACT: Botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing are all against the ToS.

    FACT: Many people break these rules routinely due to the lack of enforcement.

    FACT: The captchas are an inconvenience.

    ISSUE: Captchas affect the non-cheating player negatively while botters will continue to find workarounds. According to Thantium, 'it will only appear about 1 time every 2 hours unless you fail it repeatedly. If you fail repeatedly it will shorten the duration between the captchas. ' So EVEN if you get all of them right, you have to deal with it every 2 hours! It's only a matter of time before it ends up interfering with an incoming attack. Just close out of it you say? Sure go ahead, now instead of every 2 hours, it shows up more frequently, increasing the chance of it interfering yet again with a future incoming attack, and compounding the situation.
    SOLUTION: The most logical solution would be to enforce your ToS. Use your "normal anti-botting programs" that Thantium talks about (page 10) and start banning people. The number one reason people bot is because you allow them to. That said, I can understand your reluctance to roll out the ban hammer, as that would reduce your income. If Evony released an approved bot, even if it had less features, it would also be a big help in fixing this, but without the lost customer base. Start rolling out 3 days suspensions for people that are reported and caught botting, and people will move to the approved bot gradually with very few lost customers. With or without captchas, the only way you will ever stop botting is by enforcing your ToS. Don't inconvenience your legitimate players needlessly. You have already stated that you have other ways to catch botters, not to mention the ones that are given to you on a silver platter by people that report them.

    ISSUE: Multi-accounting provides an unfair advantage over legitimate players, not to mention the devastating effect that flat filler bots have had on the game. Players that multi-account AND bot are REALLY extending that unfair advantage to the fullest. We have people that set feeder accounts up, probably the most common, and people that run separate, full accounts to attack people together from, and some that have 4-5 separate accounts with feeders for each one!
    SOLUTION: Again, the most logical solution is to enforce your ToS and ban the offenders. I would suggest perma-banning their 'alt accounts' and maybe removing half of their troops/res in their main account. This would reduce the likelihood that they will quit, while at the same time, discouraging them from making more alt accounts. It seems like you could do a sweep and find out pretty easily who is multi-accounting, but if not, certainly you can investigate individual accounts which have been accused, and be able to tell whether they are multi-accounting or not. Like the other problems, this will not stop unless people are held accountable.

    ISSUE: Account sharing is one of the first (widespread) means of cheating. It seems to be a minor issue now with the number of bots and multi-accounters, but you need to realize this is still an unfair advantage, and against ToS, and should be addressed.
    SOLUTION: Once more, enforcing your ToS would solve this issue. I realize there are probably workarounds for your detection methods for this, and you wouldn't be able to stop this entirely if the people were careful enough, but you could certainly stop the majority of this relatively easily with a 3day suspension on any accounts logging in from the same IP address.

    ISSUE: Flat filler bots are enabling people to port to specific locations at will using random teleporters, and prohibiting people from building npc's. This is compounded by the fact that Evony pulls npc's every so often. Due to both of these issues, many players are reluctant to use (waste) ports to port out low level npc's in their fields to create lv10 fields or whatever, and they are also reluctant to purchase an adv port because it costs 3X as much and has a 24hr cooldown as compared to the random port which works just like an adv with a flat filler bot only w/o the cooldown.
    SOLUTION: The first thing I recommend doing is to have a system so that ONLY npc's that have not been attacked for 7 consecutive days should be removed. In addition there should be a way to flag certain unwanted npc's to be removed, assuming your city is closer to that npc than anyone else. This would eliminate one of the reasons for filler accounts. The other reason for them is to be able to use random ports to port to a specific flat. To fully solve this problem, you need to find a way to stop the bot itself, and, if possible, perma-ban their main account, if you can trace it back to a specific IP address.

    If Evony was really looking to continue age I, as you claim, you would start enforcing your ToS, and start suspending people for botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing, not wasting your time and ours with these captchas, which are basically a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
    Last edited by Kubrius; 08-06-2011 at 12:20 PM.

  7. #1407

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by berryboo View Post
    So you know when lag is coming ? You can guess how long the clock will spin under lag ? Your whole post there made not much sense .

    Captcha is a good thing overall .
    I know my server I have a constant 1-2 second lag u can pretty much account for 95% of the time..

    Also I'm going to restate a suggestion that I feel has been left unacknowledge:

    What if the captcha gave a notification a certain amount of time ahead (say 1 minute ahead of time) that didn't pop up and stop you from playing but at any time during that minute you could bring it up and enter it. When the time expires then it will pop up and stop the gameplay.. I don't see an issue with this or how it would help a bot work around it, but would allow players to work it around attacking/defending.

  8. #1408

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrius View Post
    Many people have tactfully voiced valid concerns and even proposed possible solutions to these problems. They have been met with condescension and ridicule, both by members of the Evony community, and by the moderators themselves. We should all be looking objectively at these issues, examining the FACTS, and trying to find a solution.

    FACT: Botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing are all against the ToS.

    FACT: Many people break these rules routinely due to the lack of enforcement.

    FACT: The captchas are an inconvenience.

    ISSUE: Captchas affect the non-cheating player negatively while botters will continue to find workarounds. According to Thantium, 'it will only appear about 1 time every 2 hours unless you fail it repeatedly. If you fail repeatedly it will shorten the duration between the captchas. ' So EVEN if you get all of them right, you have to deal with it every 2 hours! It's only a matter of time before it ends up interfering with an incoming attack. Just close out of it you say? Sure go ahead, now instead of every 2 hours, it shows up more frequently, increasing the chance of it interfering yet again with a future incoming attack, and compounding the situation.
    SOLUTION: The most logical solution would be to enforce your ToS. Use your "normal anti-botting programs" that Thantium talks about (page 10) and start banning people. The number one reason people bot is because you allow them to. That said, I can understand your reluctance to roll out the ban hammer, as that would reduce your income. If Evony released an approved bot, even if it had less features, it would also be a big help in fixing this, but without the lost customer base. Start rolling out 3 days suspensions for people that are reported and caught botting, and people will move to the approved bot gradually with very few lost customers. With or without captchas, the only way you will ever stop botting is by enforcing your ToS. Don't inconvenience your legitimate players needlessly. You have already stated that you have other ways to catch botters, not to mention the ones that are given to you on a silver platter by people that report them.

    ISSUE: Multi-accounting provides an unfair advantage over legitimate players, not to mention the devastating effect that flat filler bots have had on the game. Players that multi-account AND bot are REALLY extending that unfair advantage to the fullest. We have people that set feeder accounts up, probably the most common, and people that run separate, full accounts to attack people together from, and some that have 4-5 separate accounts with feeders for each one!
    SOLUTION: Again, the most logical solution is to enforce your ToS and ban the offenders. I would suggest perma-banning their 'alt accounts' and maybe removing half of their troops/res in their main account. This would reduce the likelihood that they will quit, while at the same time, discouraging them from making more alt accounts. It seems like you could do a sweep and find out pretty easily who is multi-accounting, but if not, certainly you can investigate individual accounts which have been accused, and be able to tell whether they are multi-accounting or not. Like the other problems, this will not stop unless people are held accountable.

    ISSUE: Account sharing is one of the first (widespread) means of cheating. It seems to be a minor issue now with the number of bots and multi-accounters, but you need to realize this is still an unfair advantage, and against ToS, and should be addressed.
    SOLUTION: Once more, enforcing your ToS would solve this issue. I realize there are probably workarounds for your detection methods for this, and you wouldn't be able to stop this entirely if the people were careful enough, but you could certainly stop the majority of this relatively easily with a 3day suspension on any accounts logging in from the same IP address.

    ISSUE: Flat filler bots are enabling people to port to specific locations at will using random teleporters, and prohibiting people from building npc's. This is compounded by the fact that Evony pulls npc's every so often. Due to both of these issues, many players are reluctant to use (waste) ports to port out low level npc's in their fields to create lv10 fields or whatever, and they are also reluctant to purchase an adv port because it costs 3X as much and has a 24hr cooldown as compared to the random port which works just like an adv with a flat filler bot only w/o the cooldown.
    SOLUTION: The first thing I recommend doing is to have a system so that ONLY npc's that have not been attacked for 7 consecutive days should be removed. In addition there should be a way to flag certain unwanted npc's to be removed, assuming your city is closer to that npc than anyone else. This would eliminate one of the reasons for filler accounts. The other reason for them is to be able to use random ports to port to a specific flat. To fully solve this problem, you need to find a way to stop the bot itself, and, if possible, perma-ban their main account, if you can trace it back to a specific IP address.

    If Evony was really looking to continue age I, as you claim, you would start enforcing your ToS, and start suspending people for botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing, not wasting your time and ours with these captchas, which are basically a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
    i agree to an extent i say evony has let it get out of hand so they should give a maybe 7 day max warning any 1 caught botting after that perma ban to stop it these days they need the no tolerance policy but due to there klack of effort in the past need to give some warning to possibly keep some of there fan base
    only an iron fist approach will help these days i believe as sad as it is to say
    Excuse the grammar and spelling. never did really pass english in school

  9. #1409
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Doesn't matter... U wouldn't visit me anyways :(
    Posts
    317

    Default

    This capcha is the worst thing evony has come up with yet. I am waiting for it to backfire on them any day now...

  10. #1410
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Building a religion... a limited edition...
    Posts
    15,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ruudong1 View Post
    hi acree can u answer a question for me

    will this captchas cause me to lose all my troops if it pops up at the wrong time and think of the worst time it could pop up at befor u answer this please


    after u answer this can u honestly say that this captchas is to help people who are playing


    any response would be nice thank you
    I can't really answer that since I don't play on ss57 nor ss60, nor do I work for Evony.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •