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Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf911 View Post
    i see alot of ppl leaving the game.....its no secret that alot of botters are also high coiners.....plus...captchas are simply annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Great! Farewell to botters!
    I'm with YOU Dawnseeker. As a player who spent 5 days straight defending an HC they rightfully took away from an enemy while they botted me with spam for 5 days as they carried on about their merry business as well as a month or so later attacking another HC that was botted to bump loy after our alliance wiped it clean of troops for another 5 days straight that we finally called it quits on after losing a large number of troops to clear, I bid you farewell too! I'd much rather struggle as a visually impaired player with a captcha as it will be far less 'annoying' than dealing with people who BOT!

  2. #1412

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    I can't really answer that since I don't play on ss57 nor ss60, nor do I work for Evony.

    smart answer like it

    but u know what im saying is right i know u know its ok hehe


    i heard that the helper program has a solution to this already but they are charging a small fee for the program to enter the code

    thats a fact

    im sure the programers thought this was a great idea and now that they have put if forward

    they are not going to stop it evin tho they know it dose absolutely nothing and is only a pest in the system

    degrading the game to a new low


    i dont mind botters they always have lots of food and i find them quite easy to kill

    its the people sharing info that are the pests oh and now this new flawed system that puts a handycap on your citys sighssss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrius View Post
    Many people have tactfully voiced valid concerns and even proposed possible solutions to these problems. They have been met with condescension and ridicule, both by members of the Evony community, and by the moderators themselves. We should all be looking objectively at these issues, examining the FACTS, and trying to find a solution.

    FACT: Botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing are all against the ToS.

    FACT: Many people break these rules routinely due to the lack of enforcement.

    FACT: The captchas are an inconvenience.

    ISSUE: Captchas affect the non-cheating player negatively while botters will continue to find workarounds. According to Thantium, 'it will only appear about 1 time every 2 hours unless you fail it repeatedly. If you fail repeatedly it will shorten the duration between the captchas. ' So EVEN if you get all of them right, you have to deal with it every 2 hours! It's only a matter of time before it ends up interfering with an incoming attack. Just close out of it you say? Sure go ahead, now instead of every 2 hours, it shows up more frequently, increasing the chance of it interfering yet again with a future incoming attack, and compounding the situation.
    SOLUTION: The most logical solution would be to enforce your ToS. Use your "normal anti-botting programs" that Thantium talks about (page 10) and start banning people. The number one reason people bot is because you allow them to. That said, I can understand your reluctance to roll out the ban hammer, as that would reduce your income. If Evony released an approved bot, even if it had less features, it would also be a big help in fixing this, but without the lost customer base. Start rolling out 3 days suspensions for people that are reported and caught botting, and people will move to the approved bot gradually with very few lost customers. With or without captchas, the only way you will ever stop botting is by enforcing your ToS. Don't inconvenience your legitimate players needlessly. You have already stated that you have other ways to catch botters, not to mention the ones that are given to you on a silver platter by people that report them.

    ISSUE: Multi-accounting provides an unfair advantage over legitimate players, not to mention the devastating effect that flat filler bots have had on the game. Players that multi-account AND bot are REALLY extending that unfair advantage to the fullest. We have people that set feeder accounts up, probably the most common, and people that run separate, full accounts to attack people together from, and some that have 4-5 separate accounts with feeders for each one!
    SOLUTION: Again, the most logical solution is to enforce your ToS and ban the offenders. I would suggest perma-banning their 'alt accounts' and maybe removing half of their troops/res in their main account. This would reduce the likelihood that they will quit, while at the same time, discouraging them from making more alt accounts. It seems like you could do a sweep and find out pretty easily who is multi-accounting, but if not, certainly you can investigate individual accounts which have been accused, and be able to tell whether they are multi-accounting or not. Like the other problems, this will not stop unless people are held accountable.

    ISSUE: Account sharing is one of the first (widespread) means of cheating. It seems to be a minor issue now with the number of bots and multi-accounters, but you need to realize this is still an unfair advantage, and against ToS, and should be addressed.
    SOLUTION: Once more, enforcing your ToS would solve this issue. I realize there are probably workarounds for your detection methods for this, and you wouldn't be able to stop this entirely if the people were careful enough, but you could certainly stop the majority of this relatively easily with a 3day suspension on any accounts logging in from the same IP address.

    ISSUE: Flat filler bots are enabling people to port to specific locations at will using random teleporters, and prohibiting people from building npc's. This is compounded by the fact that Evony pulls npc's every so often. Due to both of these issues, many players are reluctant to use (waste) ports to port out low level npc's in their fields to create lv10 fields or whatever, and they are also reluctant to purchase an adv port because it costs 3X as much and has a 24hr cooldown as compared to the random port which works just like an adv with a flat filler bot only w/o the cooldown.
    SOLUTION: The first thing I recommend doing is to have a system so that ONLY npc's that have not been attacked for 7 consecutive days should be removed. In addition there should be a way to flag certain unwanted npc's to be removed, assuming your city is closer to that npc than anyone else. This would eliminate one of the reasons for filler accounts. The other reason for them is to be able to use random ports to port to a specific flat. To fully solve this problem, you need to find a way to stop the bot itself, and, if possible, perma-ban their main account, if you can trace it back to a specific IP address.

    If Evony was really looking to continue age I, as you claim, you would start enforcing your ToS, and start suspending people for botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing, not wasting your time and ours with these captchas, which are basically a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
    THIS IS FANTASTIC!! Very well said!! Now for the reps to be willing to take note.

    There is however 1 flaw wit permant banning accounts. Evony wil not only lose most if not all their major money spinners but i suspect wil end up losing 75% of their total client base, so its not somthing they wil be looking to do, unless they have a one set of rules for the autocents client base, another set of the rest of spenders and a 3rd set for those who do not spend.

    I for one am stunned to see the development in evo and forums since i have been afk while undergoing surgery and rehab. Only got onto the net a few days ago and was shown this thread. I would have just kept quiet if not for the comments by m/s Thantium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frognmarl View Post
    I'm with YOU Dawnseeker. As a player who spent 5 days straight defending an HC they rightfully took away from an enemy while they botted me with spam for 5 days as they carried on about their merry business as well as a month or so later attacking another HC that was botted to bump loy after our alliance wiped it clean of troops for another 5 days straight that we finally called it quits on after losing a large number of troops to clear, I bid you farewell too! I'd much rather struggle as a visually impaired player with a captcha as it will be far less 'annoying' than dealing with people who BOT!
    well actualy the botters are great they give u lots of resorces and if u know how to attack there pretty easy to kill

    now its the people sharing accounts that u cant kill or plunder there food


    i have problems with numbers and letters but i wont go down that road

    and to the other message botters be gone they have already cracked the log in code situation so the word is and it will cost a small fee

    so evony have made the game play of us normal people 50% worse

    and added money to another programer pocket

    so at the end of they day it gets dark as they say and evony have come up with a retarded system sighs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruudong1 View Post
    i heard that the helper program has a solution to this already but they are charging a small fee for the program to enter the code
    Its not the bot programmers that are charging the fee or is it the bot entering it.. Their solution is a company in India that enters the captcha's for $2 per 1000 captcha's.

    That alone may deter afew people who just plain don't want to spend any money or that don't trust that system... I know I for one would be weary of giving money to an outfit like that...

    But sadly the majority will likely not be effected

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    I have in the past advocated turning evony into a downloadable game with a certain fee. You don't even have to charge a fee. It can continue to remain free to join. But by making it downloadable to hook up to a server and play. You will have better control against the bots, multiple accounts and account sharing.

    Also to give fair level playing field for those that work or go to school and don't have the time to spend hours upon hours. Put into place when your not logged in your account is in holiday. To offset this institute being able to purchase troops mercenary units from the store. They might cost twice the amount of food upkeep. As a way to offset losing the income from those holidaying.

    This would take away the need for capthas away, it would provide better control for you. Level out the playing field to a degree, although it can never be absolutely leveled. Give you another avenue for revenue with mercenary troops and likely would mean greater profits then those holidaying and paying for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantea View Post
    Also to give fair level playing field for those that work or go to school and don't have the time to spend hours upon hours. Put into place when your not logged in your account is in holiday. To offset this institute being able to purchase troops mercenary units from the store. They might cost twice the amount of food upkeep. As a way to offset losing the income from those holidaying.
    So unless I misunderstood your saying accounts will be in holiday when not logged in?

    Thats not going to fly... There will be no one to fight..
    Also Oh no im under attack time to log out.. Personally I like defending but so many people don't.

    just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threefifty View Post
    So unless I misunderstood your saying accounts will be in holiday when not logged in?

    Thats not going to fly... There will be no one to fight..
    Also Oh no im under attack time to log out.. Personally I like defending but so many people don't.

    just sayin...
    Your absolutely right on that point. How would you stop someone from just logging out. By simply putting a buffer period of 2 hrs before you are placed in holiday mode.

    Now while in holiday mode everything is suspended, your not getting a resources, your not building troops or constructing buildings and learning academics.

    So by logging out you will still can be attacked for a period. An for Evony they can now turn truces into just two hours. So then you have to spend 30 coins to truce and log out so your not attack. An still those attacks coming in will hit.

    Basically it is turning the game into what you put into it is what you get out of it. Of course such situations will occur where one could find themselves in the midst of those with not much time to play. Thus hard to catch when there on. But this can be offset by the simple fact it would force more teleports to be purchased.

    A strategy war game should not be about catching the other guy not on. It should be about using your skill and knowledge against the other guy.

    I seen on this thread and in WC on servers, references to Evony being farmony well the botters and multiple account holders have turn the game into that. I have no doubt there are those of you that do attack. But the vast majority with their bots and/or feeder accounts do nothing but strip the landscape npc's of resources. An on occasion actually log in to boast how great they are with not really having done anything. An of course attack someone who plays within the rules set and think they have actually accomplished something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantea View Post
    Your absolutely right on that point. How would you stop someone from just logging out. By simply putting a buffer period of 2 hrs before you are placed in holiday mode.

    Now while in holiday mode everything is suspended, your not getting a resources, your not building troops or constructing buildings and learning academics.

    So by logging out you will still can be attacked for a period. An for Evony they can now turn truces into just two hours. So then you have to spend 30 coins to truce and log out so your not attack. An still those attacks coming in will hit.

    Basically it is turning the game into what you put into it is what you get out of it. Of course such situations will occur where one could find themselves in the midst of those with not much time to play. Thus hard to catch when there on. But this can be offset by the simple fact it would force more teleports to be purchased.

    A strategy war game should not be about catching the other guy not on. It should be about using your skill and knowledge against the other guy.

    I seen on this thread and in WC on servers, references to Evony being farmony well the botters and multiple account holders have turn the game into that. I have no doubt there are those of you that do attack. But the vast majority with their bots and/or feeder accounts do nothing but strip the landscape npc's of resources. An on occasion actually log in to boast how great they are with not really having done anything. An of course attack someone who plays within the rules set and think they have actually accomplished something.
    Ok some interesting points.. and I liked how 1 trans attacks didn't keep you from going into "holiday".
    I dont see how this would help against multi-accounting and bots though since they will stay logged in 24/7 gaining resources

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threefifty View Post
    Ok some interesting points.. and I liked how 1 trans attacks didn't keep you from going into "holiday".
    I dont see how this would help against multi-accounting and bots though since they will stay logged in 24/7 gaining resources
    By making it a downloadable game, Evony will be able to apply such as punkbusters to the servers.

    Aside from that it is already documented by evony that the average player can on average do 10 commands per minute. In the closed environment it will be easier to pick out a bot which averages 40 commands per minute. As for the multiple accounts. Well again with the close environment your IP if already has an account will not be able to log in another account on that server.
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