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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziron View Post
    I completely agree with what your saying about account sharing...
    I already previously said aswell that its a bigger evil than botting
    pardon me? My eyes must be playing tricks on me.... Oh now I see, you guys were talking about some other game right?

    Seriously, account sharing -as botting- prevents us from being able to cap cities as we normally could.

    "but people sharing accounts u cant kill there troops or take there resorces" ruudong1

    I'm trying as hard as I can to be nice here. I will simply say that you need more practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celtum View Post
    Seriously, account sharing -as botting- prevents us from being able to cap cities as we normally could.
    You mean waiting until said person is offline and then sending attacks as fast as you can before they come back online to play defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by celtum View Post
    pardon me? My eyes must be playing tricks on me.... Oh now I see, you guys were talking about some other game right?

    Seriously, account sharing -as botting- prevents us from being able to cap cities as we normally could.

    "but people sharing accounts u cant kill there troops or take there resorces" ruudong1

    I'm trying as hard as I can to be nice here. I will simply say that you need more practice.

    Attacking in evony is truely an art that very few people have mastered
    well if u start to attack some 1 and another person loges on to there account and starts to build back there walls as 1 tower 1 abits small layers and 300k + arch can stop nearly any attack if u know what u are at

    so some 1 using a bot u can get trough there defence very easy might cost a lot of troops


    if some i logs in to some 1 elses account they can see the incoming attacks right and sort troops to defend very very easy

    i know if i loged in to some 1 account i could kill of any incoming attacks would u agree with that so u cant take there resorces as easy as u can a bot city

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    Quote Originally Posted by celtum View Post
    pardon me? My eyes must be playing tricks on me.... Oh now I see, you guys were talking about some other game right?

    Seriously, account sharing -as botting- prevents us from being able to cap cities as we normally could.

    "but people sharing accounts u cant kill there troops or take there resorces" ruudong1

    I'm trying as hard as I can to be nice here. I will simply say that you need more practice.

    Attacking in evony is truely an art that very few people have mastered
    maybe u misunderstood what i was saying u are attacking a city u clear the troops very easy as they are not online an alliance member logs in to there account makes it very easy to defend that city as u know it dose not take many troops to defend any sort of attack u onlu need 1 tower 1 abits
    and the right troops to kill any incoming army

    ware a bot u can i find it very easy to kill and take there resorces

    would u not agree with that

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    sorry for the double post accidents do happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by estrickland89 View Post
    Wow 146 pages...so I take it Evony will stick with their plan to put this on all servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruudong1 View Post
    maybe u misunderstood what i was saying u are attacking a city u clear the troops very easy as they are not online an alliance member logs in to there account makes it very easy to defend that city as u know it dose not take many troops to defend any sort of attack u onlu need 1 tower 1 abits
    and the right troops to kill any incoming army

    ware a bot u can i find it very easy to kill and take there resorces

    would u not agree with that
    i agree with some of it, it is easier to kill an offline botter than it is to kill an experienced defender watching someones account. Mainly because the bot is very predictable once you sus out its settings, and cannot coordinate with alliance as a human can.

    That said, the example of the rebuilding walls was wrong, bots do all that, hide reso, everything if it is set to do so. they just not smart and cannot adapt to a clever attacker.

    But out of the 2, since either example would be equally difficult to capture the city, as far as plundering goes, i would rather face the bot. it is easier.
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    Well I've been following these captcha threads and reading all your posts from players and evony customer service reps alike, I've also spoken to many good friends who play on the servers currently afflictated by the captcha plague and the word on the street aint good Evony. I fully understand the reason why and how important it is that you rid servers of botters but it seems to me these latest measures are way too extreme and that Evony have somehow allowd themselves to become obssessed with catching botters and completely side tracked, tunnel vision..

    The thing that concerns me most when reading all these tales of woe is the randomness with which captcha pops up and interuppts the gamers RTS experience. If your just farming or training the hero then its not massive, granted. But what happens if your an active warrior and fight everyday or if you find yourself constantly under attack? its a game of numbers and the law of averages says its only a matter of time till a player losses their troops in an attack or defence play. Or even worse a hero you've spent thousands of $$ and time on..

    RTS games DONT have captcha codes popping up and interupting game play fullstop, I think when RTS games begin to be interrupted like this then they are no longer RTS.. Its complety unfair that either an attacking or defending player can be put to the disadvantage of being FORCED to stop play and enter a silly code while their opponent is still playing...Think about it Evony who the hell else does this?? Its like playing soccer and during a penalty shoot-out asking the Goalkeeper not to move..

    Just thought id share my 2 cents with ya'll which is 2 cents more than ima be sharing with Evony

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    Well everything I have said when responding to someone in here has used entire quotes from said person, whether you be for or against the captcha idea. I have never stated I was for or against them and have pointed out issues on both sides. Though at this moment, there seems to be less for, than against.

    There are 3 issues we face in this game. One is botting. We know it happens, but anyone in here explaining why botting is unfair beyond farming 24/7, has had to have used one in the past or has had one of their alliance members using one which was explained to them. How else could you possibly know what they can and can not do.

    The second is multiple accounts. It was said by some, that people with multiple accounts have to be botting, how else could they keep up with farming. Well while I believe some botters are doing both, it is very simple to keep up with 3-5 accounts. Once you send out farm teams, you have time before these team hit and get back. I use the coords method so I never leave the attack screen. This also eliminates numerous wasted clicks. Your other accounts you take the resource fields down to where your farming units can sit there with no draw and you also sell the excess resources for food. More cities producing and farming means more food and at about 2 mins to send all the teams out per city, it does not take much time. The other part of multi-accounts is flat fillers. This is very simple to narrow down who is doing it, all you have to do is look at the top alliances, it is a member in one of them. Eliminate those in holiday and you will probably have less than 300 people to look at. Since Evony should know where different alliances have their cities, they could take it one step further by looking to the alliance that has none of these around their cities. Less than 100 now.

    The third is account watching. This, other than the 24/7 farming done by bots, is probably the worse in an active alliance. As others have said, you can wipe out resources in a botters city, but it becomes difficult if a person is online. The reason is reinforcements. If you are reinforcing an account without someone there it is blind to you. The attacker has the advantage to know when a strike will hit and what troops are defending. Blind defense is pure luck at best, whether the account is dormant or being run by a bot. A watcher can request proper reinforcements and knows what to put on the walls for best defense.

    I have not been around as much as some in here, but I would venture to say that account watching has been around the longest and is probably the most prevalent with multiple accounts next and botting bring up the rear. Though botting could have moved up equal with multiple accounts, since the reason for these extra accounts was the resources from farming.

    So as your server becomes older and you get more and more comfortable with your team, you start sharing keys. You may have the security in place to prevent them from dismissing a hero or abandoning a town, but they can get in the drivers seat. In my experience do far, I can break down most alliances to this, 25% hitters, 25% defenders, 25% farmers and 25% that do a bit of it all. I did say most alliances, not all alliances. Most of your hitters are the coiners or people with a lot of time to be here. Your defenders are mostly people with a lot of time to be here, but really like the chatting part more. The big amount of troops and farming gives them something to do. The farmers are most of the people that do not have a lot of time and do not coin. They usually have smaller defend only armies and farm what they can. They help in that they can send resources out to others. The final group does it all. They are a group that are not here all the time, but do have a bit of money that they can spend from time to time. They defend, attack and send resources around if needed.

    Now out of these people, which are the most likely to bot or have multiple accounts? Well I would say the 25% attackers and the 25% that do a bit of it all. Now should we assume that all in both of these groups bot or have multiple accounts? No way. You will have some of the coiners that want to protect their investment and a few of the people with all the time that may look into botting or having multiple accounts. You will also have a few of the do-it-all people that will bot primarily to not lose their small investment.

    So really once you break it down, captcha is being installed to affect say the 25-30% that bot. Though it is affecting 70-75% of the people who do not. This just does not sound effective to me since there are other ways to do this that do not require something to pop-up on the screen and adversely affect game play.

    So because I express my opinions here by quoting and responding to a few individuals, I get one that can't face people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruudong1 View Post
    maybe u misunderstood what i was saying u are attacking a city u clear the troops very easy as they are not online an alliance member logs in to there account

    would u not agree with that
    thats when the fun starts actually.

    I've been playing for 18 months and my experience taught me that every type of defence, as every type of attack, can be beat. # of troops is completly irrelevant.

    NevaENUFF; "you know what you need to kill more troops?"
    FarmerFred; "what?"
    NevaENUFF; "even more troops"

    BTW we've gone completly off topic there, what concerns us here is evony's public relations campaign. With this captcha thingamajiggy they appear to want to do something about the cheaters to calm us down a bit. The reality however is that evony is an enterprise, they're here to make money. Wouldn't be very smart on their part if they'd ban people who pay the bills. *awaits cencorship*
    Last edited by celtum; 08-06-2011 at 07:20 PM. Reason: back to the subject

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