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Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanaki View Post
    so when is this gonna get rolled out too all servers so everyone can have a taste of captcha?
    I was optimistic that it was going to be put on all servers, but I have pretty much resigned myself to that being overly-optimistic. My current belief is that they will not have the fortitude to "go all in", but make some sort of statement in press-release style stating that they have "won a victory over cheaters", then state that they reserve the right to activate the captcha system on any server, at any time, without warning, and then they'll leave it at that.



    BTW, to the employees, yes, I do hope to be proven wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imhotep88 View Post
    Yes I'm quoting my OWN post but here's the thing...

    While sitting on the toilet a few minutes ago i found myself thinking about all this captcha crazyness and have came up my own suggestion that i think is much fairer on everyone than the current system and its so simple i can't believe none of your techies have got on to it yet. Instead of having indvidual players interupt their game to stop and type a captcha why not just pause the ENTIRE server? Then everyone is entering the code at the same time and no-one is getting one over on their handicapped opponent, once EVERYONE has entered the code correctly and we're all sitting comfortably and ready to go un-pause the game and we all continue. Genius huh?

    Now I normally charge for idea's such as this Evony but im preppared to wave my fee for the greater good and benefit of the whole community so we can see this current situation resolved..

    Sometimes the simplest solution is simply the best idea...

    Perhaps they could even do this with a 5 min warning, much like maintenence has a warning, that way you can adjust your strategy to suit the upcoming pause in play.

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    Evony I just want to say that so far I am impressed with how far you've come with this game. It is amongst the world's greatest games. Money is a powerful thing but your customers are what get you that money or most of it anyway. So that being said I hope you are doing something with this captcha seeing how unpopular it seems to be. Most are right that bot creators will produce another bot to type in the codes. I've seen all kinds of theories and arguments that seem to be filled with great thoughts. I just hope you stick with your customers and learn from them as we all have unique ideas and view points. Your reputation is very high and it would be a shame to see it drop over a program such as captcha. If you could, please send me some information about what your going to do. Thanks.
    Last edited by Studles; 08-06-2011 at 10:35 PM.

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    A heart to heart, no b.s. post:

    I remember about a few months into s144, I was starting to build up nicely (and not using any 3rd party client-side automation - aka the bot. Evony had just done a npc sweep and a few pesky low level npcs had disappeared. Yay!

    In ported a n00b who prompt started building his own low levels. Needless to say the troops were marching at him: 10k arch and small layers, 9 waves in all.

    I got mails that nobody can have so many troops, I must be botting! I am goign to be reported etc etc ....

    Needless to say, since he did not abandon his npcs, I capped his city. It looked like a rocket silo, all warehouses.

    png upload

    Why am I telling this:
    Point 1: There is a mindset here that wishes to lay all of the weak Evony player's woes on botters.
    Are botters bad? Yes, most definitely and I can clearly see why this issue needs to be resolved. I myself have issues with botters, you simply cannot compete. It is cheating.

    But take a new server. Within weeks there are people porting around with 1mil pres. Porting is not issue. Why? Coiners. Yet this is allowed in game play and you are at a disadvantage if you cannot coin (or not as much) as the next person. From a moral perspective this is also cheating and on par with botting.

    So we have botter bullies and coiner bullies, both which reflects nothing of fair gameplay or ability, nor the effort put in.

    But from experience I can say bots make extremely good farms. Most recently I managed to raise a few thousand cav on the takes of one botter who was very much part of my farm, before he ported.

    "Evony legal" cheating aka coining also can be beaten. I capped the city of a coiner that was "hired" to take me out. Yes, I also coined and I took him two days later.

    So I wish to ask Dawnseeker not to take the moral highground as a justification for fighting bots:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Greetings!

    ....
    Captchas are part of our commitment to keeping Evony fun and fair for everyone!
    If that is true, have a captcha server that is also coin free.

    I also ask that issues be acknowledged. We have numerous reports of unsolvable captcha's. The Evony attitude is that "it should" be easy to solve, you can press a cancel and solve it later etc.

    We have seen the reports of unsolvable capcthas. Ideal capcthas are supposed to be easily human solvable, impossible for computer programs. We both know the reality lies somewhere in between. If anybody tells you different, it is a lie. That implies there are those that cannot be solved. If you disagree, disagree with the researchers an dprofessionals:
    This type of visual and textual verification comes at a huge price to users who are blind, visually impaired or dyslexic. Naturally, this image has no text equivalent accompanying it, as that would make it a giveaway to computerized systems. In many cases, these systems make it impossible for users with certain disabilities to create accounts, write comments, or make purchases on these sites, that is, CAPTCHAs fail to properly recognize users with disabilities as human.[/B]
    So please equate this study from w3.org to your statement of "keeping Evony fun and fair for everyone!"

    I myself wear glasses, have failed numerous vision tests and been labeled color blind etc - all false. Certified spe******ts tested me and I got the green light to pursue a career where I would not be able to make a living had I any of the disabilities I was labeled as having.

    Thantium stated:
    Our data show by far the majority of players answer on the first try.
    Could you perhaps post all the stats, how many 1st success, 1 repeat, 2 repeat, 2 repeats etc - but where it was solved?

    I'm sorry to say, but I believe someone did a good sales job on Evony and the masses. In my profession I sort out issues where staff have become emotionally attached to bad pet projects and with great success and cannot admit it is wrong. I believe this is the current status quo with Evony and captchas.

    As soon as it hits the server I am playing on and interferes with "the Vony experience", I and quitting Evony (and the few times I coin ), not just a server like I did last time (when Evony failed to do what they should have been doing).

    As for botters/cheaters:
    Do I bot? No
    Do I cheat? Yes I coin, wrong though it may be. But that is the only Evony way to succeed.

    /Edit: I am leaving "spe******ts" above as the forum software decided to modify the "spec i a l i s ts" to and not fixing it, I could use ophthalmologist etc, but if anything this just illustrates a false positive issue I am referring to.
    Last edited by macquari; 08-06-2011 at 10:51 PM.

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    Evony built a wall next to a ladder shop.
    Last edited by Rensia; 08-06-2011 at 11:22 PM. Reason: Yes

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    If you think about it our brains can be easily compared to a computer. Bots can build things on here and farm npcs ect.. Really the ONLY difference between a botter and a human is that a bot works 24/7. BUT I know players that play 24/7 and very easily compete with a bot without coining or anything. So if EVERYONE used a bot then fair gameplay to everyone and only coiners have upperhand. Some bots are FREE. Technically a bot does not lag the servers because it logs on and plays exactly how a human would. If botting causes lags then so do the no-life players who play 24/7. Botting is NOT cheating because if it was then real players who play 24/7 would be considered cheating as well. Why not keep bots and everyone get one so we can focus on the things that are truely unfair, coiners. Honestly if bots were the cause of lagging then blame the hard working players who play 24/7 too because a bot logs in as if a human logs in. It has to be the software they use for the servers that causes lag or them constantly scanning for bots. I suggest leave the servers alone and do normal maintanence and let it run it's course as you did before botters were considered a problem for a week or two and see what happens. It's worth a shot and if it does not work then at least I tried and will continue to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquari View Post
    /Edit: I am leaving "spe******ts" above as the forum software decided to modify the "spec i a l i s ts" to and not fixing it, I could use ophthalmologist etc, but if anything this just illustrates a false positive issue I am referring to.
    It does that because of the word cialis. It does the same for words like boastfully because of the word stfu. The only reason I changed it to the actual word was to make it an easier read.

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    no offense, but as long as its going to be even "every few hours" I am not willing to take the extra time to build up and then worry about the whole captcha thing on top of that. It took several attempts to get even this far on here thanks to those letters that are easily read. This much trouble in game and its no longer fun. the moment I see one, I'll be resetting my account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Studles View Post
    If you think about it our brains can be easily compared to a computer. Bots can build things on here and farm npcs ect.. Really the ONLY difference between a botter and a human is that a bot works 24/7. BUT I know players that play 24/7 and very easily compete with a bot without coining or anything. So if EVERYONE used a bot then fair gameplay to everyone and only coiners have upperhand. Some bots are FREE. Technically a bot does not lag the servers because it logs on and plays exactly how a human would. If botting causes lags then so do the no-life players who play 24/7. Botting is NOT cheating because if it was then real players who play 24/7 would be considered cheating as well. Why not keep bots and everyone get one so we can focus on the things that are truely unfair, coiners. Honestly if bots were the cause of lagging then blame the hard working players who play 24/7 too because a bot logs in as if a human logs in. It has to be the software they use for the servers that causes lag or them constantly scanning for bots. I suggest leave the servers alone and do normal maintanence and let it run it's course as you did before botters were considered a problem for a week or two and see what happens. It's worth a shot and if it does not work then at least I tried and will continue to ponder.
    I think your grasping at straws. I see no reason why Thantiun would lie to us the players. When he reference that on average a human player inputs 10 commands a minute while a bot inputs average 40 commands. Now people have been driven to say its about money. I think it is but not as most people think. I believe the servers are being slowed, lagged because of the bots. Which in effect those affect the product of evony and those the over all customer base. Especially if the bots that cause the lag are also causing the server crashes. Which in turn is lost revenue time for evony when a server goes down.

    I seen a few pages back. A good suggestion, random across the board to all players on capthas to ensure no one is screwed with timing. That all get it at the same time on a server at random times on the server.
    http://bbs.evony.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=570211&dateline=13123  84419

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantea View Post
    I think your grasping at straws. I see no reason why Thantiun would lie to us the players. When he reference that on average a human player inputs 10 commands a minute while a bot inputs average 40 commands. Now people have been driven to say its about money. I think it is but not as most people think. I believe the servers are being slowed, lagged because of the bots. Which in effect those affect the product of evony and those the over all customer base. Especially if the bots that cause the lag are also causing the server crashes. Which in turn is lost revenue time for evony when a server goes down.

    I seen a few pages back. A good suggestion, random across the board to all players on capthas to ensure no one is screwed with timing. That all get it at the same time on a server at random times on the server.
    I personally think you that you think you know everything about bots. You need to think about it before commenting again. Players and bots are almost exactly identical or else they would not be this hard to find.

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