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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    Come on Khalee.
    She can't issue negative rep. You have to be at title Duke or higher.

    I was accused of backing the botters or choosing their side. Had you read my previous posts, which evidently you did not, you would see that I am for fixing this issue. Even in the post you ridiculed, I stated the same. Never once did I say cheating was not cheating.
    That's because you DO back the botters. Proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    You start this game head to head with a big time coiner or someone at home all the time 2+ years ago. You get pummeled at every turn and see no way to win. So you think, if there was only a way I could get more food, I could have an army that big. Though I am already waking up an hour earlier than normal to farm and spending all evening farming to keep what I have. So someone said hey, lets build a bot. Now I am sure, because I was told this earlier today, bots have been around on games before Evony. So when this game started, they started the creation of them.

    Nowadays we are told the bots will do everything for you, but I am sure this was a procession it has made over the years. Most likely the first generation bots just farmed and maybe queued up some troops. You know, evening up the battle field I talked about.

    Everything progresses over time. Coiners start spending more money and some start botting as well, to make theirs the biggest and baddest army out there. Sort of like an avalanche and the non-botters are standing at the bottom of the mountain.

    So here we are with an avalanche bearing down at full speed and we are hoping that the few barricades we have put up will stop it from wiping us out. You and I both know it won't. Had we just did a bit of avalanche control, we would not be in this position right now.
    In other words, the big, bad coiners are to blame, because it just isn't fair that they were able to get an advantage, which is, in your words, "an avalance bearing down at full speed", and the poor non-coiners that are botting are just trying to scrape by and survive. :queue image of a cute puppy:

    Evony has a problem and needs to fix said problem. If all you are going to do is criticize people in here that do not believe exactly as you do about a fix, you may as well leave.
    In case it hasn't become clear to you, I gave that rep to you too. It's not that I believe differently about "a fix", it's that I don't believe that those who spend money are to blame, nor people who spend additional time. Coining is not "cheating", no matter how much you think it is "unfair". Life isn't fair. Spending additional time is not "cheating", because as Khalee said, those that aren't spending that time are able to be off and doing something else. Have you never stopped to consider that maybe the people off doing something else are actually having more fun????? Maybe those that are off doing other things are more fortunate in life??????

    My issue with you is that you keep disparaging people and attempting to shift blame onto others and excuse the behavior because "it's just not fair" and you think that "the playing field needs to be more level".

    You want a level playing field? Go register to play Chess. You'll be ranked according to your skill level and paired up with players within your general skill range, unless you decide to challenge someone above your skill class.

    Oh, and FYI, Khalee and I have gone round and round before, and I disagree with her most of the time, but not this time. Despite disagreeing most of the time, I gave her positive rep for her post, because what she said is right on target.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 08-07-2011 at 07:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    Come on Khalee.

    I write up a whole post and because you disagree, I get this message and negative rep from you. If you need to reply to me, doing it in this way is WRONG. If this is the way you feel, then you better not be in a thread that has the possibility to be 2 sided. For you will find you can really only be on one side.
    I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if you're meaning that SOMEONE red rep'd you, it was not me, since I don't have this ability

    Again, you have spoken to accuse and abuse before checking your facts.

    Perhaps you should look into that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rensia View Post
    Like so many other games, the difficulty level goes down as time goes on. The one thing Evony did right was make capturing age2 servers.

    The difficulty level goes down because people aren't required to farm on any AgeII servers so some can 'sit' on the massive troops to defend Caps etc. Aside from that one 'flaw' as I see it, the server I play on is very competitive & active. Again, tailored to a different type of player. Doesn't make it any less difficult or competitive. And for the record, I don't 'sit' on my army, I don't use a BOT to farm for, build or defend my cities/troops. I actually PLAY the game as it is intended. What a novel concept! People who actually PLAY their accounts without the aid of any cheats and can actually be successful!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irchie View Post
    OMG OMG OMG

    i just been fighting captcha, must have tried 20, not including the ones i deliberately sent wrong answer because i didnt have a clue what the letters were!!!!!!

    been nearly 15mins - STILL NOT THRU!

    AT LEAST PUT A REFRESH BUTTON TO CHANGE THE DAMN LETTERS!!!!!!!
    i must say if that was me i would of flung my laptop against a wall any person who agrees with this RETARDED MADE CAPATCHAS read this post

    thats 15 minuts game play has been on a standstill because of the capatchas that evony have come up with

    15 minutes is enough time to kill of some 1 troops take all there resources and have there city down to 13 loyalty


    ANY 1 PERSON WHO AGREES THAT THIS CAPATCHAS SYSTEM WORKS

    ( dont say if it stops 1 bot its worth it remember it could be u who is under attack then this knief in the back system pops up and u lose everything }

    LOOK AT THE SCREEN SHOTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE POSTED
    .. THINK OF THE REALITY OF THE EFFECT OF THIS SYSTEM

    IT IS GIVING YOUR CITY A DISABILITY

    IS THERE REALLY ANY 1 OUT THERE THAT DOSE NOT SEE THIS AS THE MOST STUPID IDEA U HAVE EVER HEARD OF IN YOUR LIFE
    FOR A NON STOP 24/7 ONLINE GAMING SYSTEM

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    Is anyone else aside from me curious as to why the Evony reps seem to be ignoring responding to anything on this thread now? Do they think they are too good to talk to us? We stated our opinion as a majority that capcha is one of the most rhetorical ideas ever. Evony, you claim the players word means the most. Meaning the people. So this makes this a Democracy. Meaning voting says all. We mass majority voted no on the capcha if you care to go look at all of the negative feedback. So just get rid of them, scratch your head because your idea was horrible, and come up with some better solutions or even try taking some off here.

    Some of the stupidest ideas suggested were actually far superior to that you call bot proof capcha. You lost. Again. Game Over.
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    again ive been trying to log in for over an hour and still not back in? and as captchas not loggin u off ur right it dont log u off it just freezes with the stupid little white clock goin round and round for over an hour? followed by the stupid connection error again? im spending more time trying to log in then actually playing the game? so summat tells me this idea is a major FAIL!!!!!! oh and not sure if any1 else is havin the problem with the letters being overlapped or only getting half (if ur lucky) letters on the panel??? if ur gonna force this rubbish on us at least make it readable?????????

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    Guys ?

    Scripts to detect+read+fill in captchas are all over the internet. And some of them are actually more reliable than the human eye...

    Any b0t user with the slightest hint of programming knowledge will be able to copy such a code into his b0t programme...

    The captcha system isn't doing any good, in fact it's just making things worse: captchas are yet another annoyance, which will push yet more people to favor the b0t interface rather than the official evony interface, simply because it's easier to use.

    Properly constructed b0ts have considerably less lag, especially where the map is concerned. They will have no captchas, as these will be automatically filled in.

    If the evony team really wants to fight b0ts - they have 2 things to do:

    1. Reinforce their b0t detection programme: spend time looking for common b0ts on the internet, disect them, and find out how to detect them, then Enforce the rules

    2. Make b0ts obsolete: remove all the small annoyances of the game interface, work on the lag for example; include a "farming b0t" in the official evony game engine so that people with large armies don't need to resort to b0tting/multi accounting to feed them (or set a food limit in cities/troop limit...)

    Trust me, captchas will do absolutely no good.
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    As soon as I saw your post I knew it was you again, my apologies Khalee.

    What did I do to ruffle your feathers neko?

    You may want to re-read that post. Do you know what a scenario is? As in describing a series of events that took place over a period of time. Well this is what that post was all about.

    It in no way backed botters or botting. On the contrary, I said twice that a fix needs to be found.

    We both agree that a way needs to be found to stop the botters, but because I and many others do not agree with you that this captcha is way to go. You instead abuse your power of negative rep with absolutely no basis.
    Last edited by Jaftica; 08-07-2011 at 08:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    Last time I checked, human players don't relog the system every 20mins (might be longer, I'm not sure)

    Additionally, last time I checked, the TOS of Evony was that no 3rd-party helper could be used... thus, botting is cheating. There is no argument that can be made that justifies botting as being within the rules of Evony.




    You are aware that Evony is a business, and providing a (laughingly) free game, they need those coiners in order to continue providing to those who don't coin? You started playing a game that told you in the initial stages that you could spend coin to get ahead, don't whine about it now.






    Refer above regarding a bot logging on multiple times per hour.
    Additionally, there are bots that build troops in small increments, and some to play the market, posting small bids constantly to drive prices up or down.
    Not to mention the SpamBots, last time I checked, a human isn't likely to sit at a computer for 12hrs straight, sending 9waves of spam at someone every 50secs.



    Perhaps before you tell someone else off about not understanding bots, you should research them yourself. Clearly it is YOU who knows nothing of the topic on which he is commenting.

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    i agree with get rid of the botting system and yes a bot can do everything a human can do but faster

    u say about spam bots i have send spam waves hours on end at people manual

    im sure a bot can probaly do that i wont disagree

    but this captches system has so many flaws for us the normal player u say u would start a server again if it came im sorry but i don't think u would

    how would u rebuild if this program kicks in every 2 hour or if u are farming npc a lot it thinks your a bot so it pops up every 45 minutes

    u cant see the letters so u cant enter the code maybe not all the time but lets look at the worst case

    the captchas knocks u off the game from 1 minute up to 30 minute

    how on earth can u play a game that main reason is t attack if every 2 hours u don't have the ability to use basic functions lets say 5 minute each time that's an extra 2 hours every day u are incapable to defend its very easy to lose all your city's

    the only people who i could Evin think this system could work is some 1 who lost city to some 1 who they think was a botter making there decision a sour 1 not an opinion about the real issue but a personal opinion
    and not looking at the main damage this program can do to

    people who spend a lot of time online and love the game
    yes by all means get rid of the

    botters the account sharing

    Caiaphas is a hindrance that obstructs game time playing and that can cause u to lose all them troops and resources that u worked so hard because your game might freeze to enter an imposable code

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    As soon as I saw your post I knew it was you again, my apologies Khalee.

    What did I do to ruffle your feathers?

    You may want to re-read that post. Do you know what a scenario is? As in describing a series of events that took place over a period of time. Well this is what that post was all about.

    It in no way backed botters or botting. On the contrary, I said twice that a fix needs to be found.

    We both agree that a way needs to be found to stop the botters, but because I and many others do not agree with you that this captcha is way to go. You instead abuse your power of negative rep with absolutely no basis.
    For the third time, you incorrectly accuse. For the second time, I explain that I do not have the ability to red rep. This has also been pointed out by Neko_Lord, who also stated that the red rep was from him.

    Regarding your insistence that you do not back botters, it's a little hard to believe this when you have repeatedly said that botting is not cheating. That is a definitive statement that is hard to misunderstand.

    This thread has made it perfectly obvious that MANY people do not like this Captcha implementation, I have absolutely no illusions about that. I like the idea if it does indeed get refined to a point where it catches bots. If it even reduces the number of bots on my server, I consider it a fair trade of one frustration for another. I do, however, state this as MY opinion on a public forum, and in no way require others to share it.

    Would you like to accuse me again? Perhaps you should read my original post to you, along with those others replying to you, before you make yet another incorrect assumption.
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