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Thread: Captchas Now Testing on ss57 and ss60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    For the third time, you incorrectly accuse. For the second time, I explain that I do not have the ability to red rep. This has also been pointed out by Neko_Lord, who also stated that the red rep was from him.

    Regarding your insistence that you do not back botters, it's a little hard to believe this when you have repeatedly said that botting is not cheating. That is a definitive statement that is hard to misunderstand.

    This thread has made it perfectly obvious that MANY people do not like this Captcha implementation, I have absolutely no illusions about that. I like the idea if it does indeed get refined to a point where it catches bots. If it even reduces the number of bots on my server, I consider it a fair trade of one frustration for another. I do, however, state this as MY opinion on a public forum, and in no way require others to share it.

    Would you like to accuse me again? Perhaps you should read my original post to you, along with those others replying to you, before you make yet another incorrect assumption.
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    Now you need to take a moment and read my post again. I apologize to you in the first sentence. Have no idea what you mean by third time.

    Now since you accuse me of saying botting is not cheating repeatedly, I would like for you to find such statements by me please.

    What I have said is, botting is cheating, but captchas is not the way to fix it. Which is basically what about 90% of people lately are saying.
    Last edited by Jaftica; 08-07-2011 at 08:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    What did I do to ruffle your feathers?
    I thought I had made it clear that blaming people that spend money and those that spend time ruffles my feathers.

    You see, I spent money. Why did I do it? Because there was a great deal at the time, one that has never been offered again. I spent $200, and instead of getting 2000 coins, I got 10000 coins. Yes, 5x. The best that they've had since is the 2x. The extra incentive I had at that moment was that I was being presented with a "join us or die" from someone who was already cheating back then, and I needed the Advanced Teleporters.

    So, you see, every time you or someone else disparages someone that spends money as "a cheater" and "to blame for the situation", you're attacking me, personally.

    Beyond that, I also spent a WHOLE lot of time. So, you see, you zinged me not once, but twice in the same post, and then you preach that same crap multiple times, and you expect me not to take offense?????

    I "coined". I "spent 20 hours online". I NEVER, not once considered botting to "even the playing field" against those that did.

    So, stop attacking me with those types of insinuations that people that spend money and time are to blame, and you'll notice a change in how I view you and your posts.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 08-07-2011 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    Now you need to take a moment and read my post again. I apologize to you in the first sentence. Have no idea what you mean by third time.

    Now since you accuse me of saying botting is not cheating repeatedly, I would like for you to find such statements by me please.
    you 2 should exchange numbers could be magic in the making

    and can u people stop bickering with each other start a new thread NOT Aimed at any cretin person

    called grumpy form and give each other stick on it
    Last edited by ruudong1; 08-07-2011 at 08:24 AM. Reason: did not want to make a second post lol

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    First off Kaylee can not red rep anyone so there is no need to falsely accuse her. Anymore accusory behavior like that and I'll uncap my red pen.

    Secondly all this nonsense about scripts being able to be downloaded all over the net that can decode CAPTCHA. Yes there are but haven't anyone actually considered if we can find them you don't think Evony can't. Partly why I'm guessing they're testing these captcha's to catch the players trying to get around them using scripts and such like, then if they do roll it out they can find locate the alleged botters more quickly. Who else would try to ensure they can decode them with out actually being online to do it.

    I don't like captcha but I don't like botters either. They've ruined the game using brawn rather than brains. Let's be honest there isn't many times you are going to lose if you come packing with a billion troops all the time. It was much more fun when finesse was used, now you don't need to learn the game just bot then well win all the time. So I ask you why do any of you think that's not cheating.
    Last edited by Morgan le Fay; 08-07-2011 at 08:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    I thought I had made it clear that blaming people that spend money and those that spend time ruffles my feathers.

    You see, I spent money. Why did I do it? Because there was a great deal at the time, one that has never been offered again. I spent $200, and instead of getting 2000 coins, I got 10000 coins. Yes, 5x. The best that they've had since is the 2x.

    So, you see, every time you or someone else disparages someone that spends money as "a cheater" and "to blame for the situation", you're attacking me, personally.

    Beyond that, I also spent a WHOLE lot of time. So, you see, you zinged me not once, but twice in the same post, and then you preach that same crap multiple times, and you expect me not to take offense?????

    I "coined". I "spent 20 hours online". I NEVER, not once considered botting to "even the playing field" against those that did.

    So, stop attacking me with those types of insinuations that people that spend money and time are to blame, and you'll notice a change in how I view you and your posts.
    Well neko, I have never put coiner and cheater in the same sentence. If I had, I would be labeling myself as one. For I too, spend money playing this game. Way more than $200.

    The insinuation that people that invest money is what has driven people without money to bot is a valid point and I should not be assaulted by saying such. I never said that they were not cheating. I never said I agree with them botting. I am agreeing with the numerous other players in here that this is not the fix. How many times must I say this. Yet you put it to me to come up with analysis and cost projection and whatever else you named off, when there already have been people in the know, that have offered up suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    First off Kaylee can not red rep anyone so there is no need to falsely accuse her. Anymore accusory behavior like that and I'll uncap my red pen.
    I did not realize that she could not and I have now apologized twice and sent a private message apologizing. What more should I do?

    Evidently the only thing people are reading is the accusation and not the apologies.

    So once more for everyone.

    I AM SORRY KHALEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    For the third time, you incorrectly accuse. For the second time, I explain that I do not have the ability to red rep. This has also been pointed out by Neko_Lord, who also stated that the red rep was from him.
    The "I knew it was you" was aimed at me, and the apologies were aimed at you. You misunderstood what was said...

    Regarding your insistence that you do not back botters, it's a little hard to believe this when you have repeatedly said that botting is not cheating. That is a definitive statement that is hard to misunderstand.
    I think he's right that he hasn't outright stated it, but there's this thing called "tacit approval". By attempting to shift blame to those who spend money or time, it gives the appearance that one thinks that those who spend money or time are "the real bad guys" and the people who are botting are victims that are just trying to compete.

    This thread has made it perfectly obvious that MANY people do not like this Captcha implementation, I have absolutely no illusions about that. I like the idea if it does indeed get refined to a point where it catches bots. If it even reduces the number of bots on my server, I consider it a fair trade of one frustration for another. I do, however, state this as MY opinion on a public forum, and in no way require others to share it.
    I agree as well. I don't like that cheaters have forced this upon us. I think that it could be disruptive, but I know for a fact that cheaters are disruptive.

    It is much like a surgery I once had. There was a 2% mortality rate for the surgery, but a 100% mortality rate if I did not have the surgery.

    At any rate, I think it's immaterial, as I think this is going to stop with the 2 servers. I think they've improved the server performance and shown that they can fight back against botters, so they'll make some sort of flowery "victory speech" post in which they'll state that they reserve the right to do the same at any time to any server, without notice, if they deem the situation warrants it, and that will be that.

    If they do that, which I'd say is 90% likely that they will, that will send a resounding message to all of the older servers that you're good to go with bots because the worst that will happen is you might someday have to enter a captcha, and thus the conversion to the Dark Side will be complete, leaving us "Rebel Scum" to die in a rotting cesspool of cheating.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 08-07-2011 at 08:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    Secondly all this nonsense about scripts being able to be downloaded all over the net that can decode CAPTCHA. Yes there are but haven't anyone actually considered if we can find them you don't think Evony can't. Partly why I'm guessing they're testing these captcha's to catch the players trying to get around them using scripts and such like, then if they do roll it out they can find locate the alleged botters more quickly. Who else would try to ensure they can decode them with out actually being online to do it.
    I hadn't considered this, nicely pointed out

    Wonder if I begged Evony... would they put Captcha on ss58 now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaftica View Post
    The insinuation that people that invest money is what has driven people without money to bot is a valid point and I should not be assaulted by saying such.
    I'm sorry, but the only way one can agree that stating that people who don't have money have a valid point by cheating is if your own moral compass is compromised. With a functioning moral compass, the most you can say is that you understand how one might think that way, but you should then proceed to try to illustrate how it is an incorrect argument - nothing more than an excuse.

    Does someone that grows up first with their Mother on WIC (Women, Infants, and Children), then gets shuffled to foster home after foster home, have "a valid point" when they hold up a convenience store because they just want to "compete" in life by having some nice things?

    I'd feel sorry for that child, and if I was deciding their sentence, I'd be lenient, but they do not have "a valid point".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    I hadn't considered this, nicely pointed out

    Wonder if I begged Evony... would they put Captcha on ss58 now?
    I'm currently begging them to do something about a particular player on N4 or at least put the captcha on N4 in hopes that it has some impact on them, but so far they are not even giving me the common courtesy of acknowledging my request has been read and summarily dismissed. That's why you've seen my signature change from "newly hopeful" to "hopeful, but hope fading fast", to what I have currently...which was said by the character Morpheus in Matrix Reloaded, when he transitions from hope to despair.

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