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Thread: Rank 2, 4, 100 called in and they lost

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    Default Rank 2, 4, 100 called in and they lost

    Note: I have admiration for Ahmdo and Kalell (and I suppose BlueMadnes) for coming to the assistance of their alliance; I'm just saddened that it seems like they're being used by one of their smaller players who wanted to take a big bite and start a fight, and found that it was too big. At the time, Totenkopf's prestige rank was about 4100, and mine was about 280.

    It all started with an alliance hopper (no less than 5 alliance that I noticed, not that I watched him much) named Totenkopf that recently joined tbh/wmd. Somehow, he got the assistance of BlueMadnes (prestige rank 2) to help him to take 2 of my cities, and attack a third, when I was offline (I was without power for about 10 hours), so I couldn't properly defend them.
    I was kind of needing a reason to quit for a while anyway. (initial attacks shown)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/a0/64/1e/87/a0641e87409886a36e24ba6ceb3e91e8.xml
    100k archer attack (37k losses) against my capital (but not my troop holder), later named Valorgate

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/49/34/ef/41/4934ef41a85dbc2c4da38f8c8e5bd809.xml
    100k archer attack (38k losses) against one of my newest cities, later named Npc

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/ef/a8/bc/6c/efa8bc6ca53f5d5123dcdce146d691fd.xml
    100k archer attack (44k losses)

    I took one back, but Totenkopf paniced and npced the city he took (it was down to 10 loyalty). This was my beginning city, and I had about 11 scripts sunk into it. He later mailed me, saying that he 'thought I was inactive' (as if a daily rising prestige indicated inactivity), 'had plans on developing my area', 'thought that it was an alliance member attacking at first, and not me' (my alliance never had a significant presence in Thuringia, and I was the last one left there), and he complained that he lost 'a good politic and attack hero as well' (inital attacks shown)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/6a/e8/61/76/6ae86176b64532bc3ee319699bc5fb7c.xml
    3.6k warrior, 1.5k pike, 18k sword, 13k archer, 400 calvary, 200 ballista, 30 catapults; my losses 10k warrior, 600 sword (of 1k), 350 archer (of 65k), 3k calvary, 1k cataphract, 3k ballista (of 20k)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/8e/29/eb/16/8e29eb16e17f0599c6e9c0fe04645231.xml
    5k calvary; my losses 2k sword (of 20k) ... the 2k warriors was supposed to be 20k, but I didn't realize that I had missed a zero

    I also slapped them back for their attacks while I was trying to reclaim my cities

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/b5/e9/19/f4/b5e919f48e44317c22086dabf82773da.xml
    10.6k archer towers, 5k pike, 10k sword, 15k archer, 500 ballista; my losses 51k archers (of 100k) ... I forgot to add a pike, a sword, a calvary, and a cataphract for combat layering

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/4e/f6/7d/34/4ef67d345818630804d3a850dcaafc18.xml
    700 archer towers; my losses 40 warriors, 400 sword, 300 archers. BlueMadnes hid his lumber and troops. (I had to carefully select this target; the others were too well defended, and this attack occured after I reclaimed my city)

    But the next day, they seemed to dislike the fact that there was retaliation for reclaiming a city and having my beginning city npced and npced 3 more cities. I had a workday that was over 14 hours that day and was offline during their attacks. So much for Totenkopf's 'wanted to develop your area' excuse. (inital attacks shown)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/a9/3e/2c/ee/a93e2ceedf586b20ae24372580953c77.xml
    100k archer attack (10k losses)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/75/e6/9f/a4/75e69fa45d29a4709f15d4a7475d3fa1.xml
    10k warrior, 35k of 40k archer, 5k of 47k ballista, 2k catapult attack

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/94/ea/f3/a0/94eaf3a04cd5247af074a1a73062397e.xml
    100k archer attack (14k losses)


    In response to this, I realized that they wouldn't stop, and would attack again when I was offline, so I started to systematicly demolish Totenkopf's fortifications (couldn't do much else with him online and a rank 2 as his neighbour). This time, I was online for their attacks, and they started to see the difference that an online opponent makes. It was also at this time that I finalized my decision to quit. BlueMadnes also sent several additional waves at me that included ballistas and catapults, which he turned around after making over half the trip ... I suppose he figured that an opponent that was online was too hard.

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/64/8e/e3/ec/648ee3eccf229207be426a196cdb18ef.xml
    5k archer towers; my losses 3k archers (of 100k)

    (one of his newer cities)
    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/02/3c/44/7a/023c447a769350e0319cd0d29535202c.xml
    2k archer towers; my losses 1k archers (of 100k)

    (the following 3 attacks were sent all sent out at once; I didn't have enough for multpile archer waves)
    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/7d/80/64/f4/7d8064f4a6963f6443545cb295b7d3dd.xml
    11k archer towers; my losses 13k archers (of 100k)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/31/39/f9/e6/3139f9e67f4905460a3af8465e3a8a28.xml
    9k archer towers; my losses 43k sword, 15k archer, 20k calvary, 9k ballista (of 20k)

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/60/84/e1/fe/6084e1fef0e745d0b3fa68aeea3c92fd.xml
    9.3k archer towers; my losses 9k archers (of 100k)

    Ahmdo (rank 4) also got into the action, and lost

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/b6/0e/44/95/b60e4495ea28769dd5a3c7b0659bba8d.xml
    100k archers; my losses 500 pike, 7.5k sword (of 18k), 3k calvary, 2.5k cataphract, some traps, some logs

    BlueMadnes decided to try timing his attack (and send some other ballista/catapult attacks that he turned around again). I had 10 seconds to heal up inbetween Ahmdo and BlueMadnes. BlueMadnes lost.

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/27/8d/93/bb/278d93bbae9d6c5a0eea66a357ff6f22.xml
    100k archers; my losses 200 pike, 12k sword (of 13k), 1.1k calvary, 1k cataphract, some traps, some logs

    Totenkopf then mailed me, saying that he was waiting for me to try taking and npcing his cities before he npced mine ... as if someone could npc a player's cities, when he's online and is developed to about 200k prestige, not to mention having, close by, a rank 2 and rank 4 (who teleported in) in the middle of launching 100k archer or 50k ballista/50k archer or 10k catapult/50k ballista/40k archer attacks.
    And then later, Kalell (rank 100) decided to attack as well, going over 4 hours out of his way, also losing ... twice. Pity, I even mailed him saddened by his food expenditure for his attack, and suggesting that he bring them back home just after he sent them, but there was no response.

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/c9/42/f4/e6/c942f4e6e9232f09afa39173a3fe26fa.xml (had about a minute to heal my troops before the next attack)
    50k ballista, 48k archers, some transports died; my losses 75 pike, 6k sword, 30k archers (of 118k), 450 calvary, 400 cataphracts, a few traps, and a few logs

    battle1.evony.com/default.html?logfile/2f/22/cd/54/2f22cd54f5c3fcad3cf008e2b4e23083.xml
    almost 100k archers; my loses 6k warrior, 15 pike, 1k sword, 90 calvary, 70 cataphract, some traps, some logs

    After this, I wiped my remaining gold, resources, fortifications, troops and npced my remaining cities; they can attack all they like when I'm offline, but they will go home empty handed and no honour. Before they started their unprovoked assaults, I was at about 3k honour, and I finish at 356k prestige, 4.4 million honour, and rank at about 240.

    Just checked (since I never bothered with honour), but I end with rank 23 in honour.
    Last edited by Pocket; 06-07-2009 at 01:47 PM.

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    I'm glad you hurt their armies so much. Saddened to see you quit. Come on to server 10.
    I play Evony - Very well.

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    Nice post, except there is no way I'm going to copy&paste all those URLs, use the forum link function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueName View Post
    Nice post, except there is no way I'm going to copy&paste all those URLs, use the forum link function.
    Thank you for reminding me what I was forgetting in my post.

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    Unhappy poor pocket

    what a loser you are pocket. i used to admire forpeace but i think they were doomed for failure from when they declared war against wmd.

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    looks like u lost big time pocket, and why all this drama in a war game?

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    Curiosity has brought me back again to see what responses there were.

    Quote Originally Posted by soundlover View Post
    what a loser you are pocket. i used to admire forpeace but i think they were doomed for failure from when they declared war against wmd.
    That 'waring' with wmd was the result of some misunderstanding between a few players (I won't bother with the details here), it was quite a while ago (more than a month ago), and the misunderstanding seemed to have been cleared up in a few days.

    Quote Originally Posted by soundlover View Post
    looks like u lost big time pocket, and why all this drama in a war game?
    Sure I lost big time ... when I was offline. The later reports shows a large difference in results when I was online for their attacks. Knowing that I need to sleep (and work) sometime, that they would attack when I was offline, either choose to (when I would be offline) try wiping out my armies and take cities or try wiping out my armies and npcing cities, that I was planning on quitting (but needed a reason), I decided that (since I now had a reason) I would rather npc my cities rather than letting them get resources off me or claim up to 4 (of 5) cities, 3 of them with all buildings at level 9 or 10.

    As for drama, I'm not into drama in a game, but it almost seems like some was created when the tbh/wmd members took retaliation to their attacks personally, and got other alliance members involved in their self-created vendetta. For instance, Ahmdo random teleported to the state I was in, to launch his attack (2+ hour trip ended in failure), then advance teleported as close to me as he could get. I'm saddened that he spent the coins to use the advance teleport (as plans were already in progress, and he was too late), but amused that he felt BlueMadnes (prestige ranked 2 at the time) needed assistance.

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    Oh how I just love the QQ threads. Okay so lets see, I will admit I am not going to write War and Peace in this so.

    I will start with this. Over a month ago I was with an alliance called Doom and I notice you were active then. We had peace, you sent me an email about how your alliance is getting geared up for war and your leadership is gong on about hitting those once called allies. You said you did not not approve of this. I understand it. I was lucky you were so nice.

    So then I joined Old Breed, I enjoyed my time there. But sadly they do not have a strong foot hold in Thuringia. So after sitting the side lines I got lucky and had a run in with TBH/WMD. Blue started to move in on my old lands, maybe me willing to stand up to the rank 2 on the server with him easily out classing me, was enough to get invited.

    And so time went on. Then I notice you did not seem to be really expanding, I watched your presitge for a while. Then as with time, things do change. I was lucky to be asked to join TBH/WMD. I was asked to join in the fight, so I did and I learned much that being part of a smaller alliance failed to show me. I was not ready for war and so I setup to gear for war.

    And as you were enjoying all the links and posting. I will save the links and just sum it up. I will admit I did NPC your city, show me where it says we should not and I will say "My Bad" okay I am lying I will not. I was fighting you, I manage to take your city. Yes you would have taken it back...so I took an old tactical apporach to it. Sorched Earth, sorry if my spelling is wrong.

    I can not help it you decided to just give up. You could have teleported out, take one city and leave or all of them. But as you said often, you were not online.

    Being online would have just prolong what was coming. You would have fallen, your clearing my def was pointless with you having no support in the area. I can rebuild defences. I can rebuild cities...I am arm my troops. They will march to war for me.

    So to my friend, thank you for posting here. I so love these QQ threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    Oh how I just love the QQ threads. Okay so lets see, I will admit I am not going to write War and Peace in this so.
    QQ thread? Interesting opinion of it ...

    War and Peace? I will admit that I often get verbose in forums. You should see some posts that I've posted in other games I play and others that I've played. I've gotten a range of responses such as "you talk too much", "wow, lots of detail", "love the ideas", "thanks for figuring that out", "bump", "stickied", as well as short or verbose responses in agreement or disagreement (which often lead to a long discussion thread). But this is the first one that someone had the opinion of QQ. (makes note ... forum posts have also resulted in an opinion of it being a QQ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    I will start with this. Over a month ago I was with an alliance called Doom and I notice you were active then. We had peace, you sent me an email about how your alliance is getting geared up for war and your leadership is gong on about hitting those once called allies. You said you did not not approve of this. I understand it. I was lucky you were so nice.
    The leadership wanted to only have alliances listed as allies those alliances that were willing to put the effort into assisting us, instead of just not wanting to be attacked. My opinion was that there's enough players who are hostile, and that keeping alliances on mutual allies meant that we could focus more on the ones who are hostile, instead of making more hostile by random/farming attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    So then I joined Old Breed, I enjoyed my time there. But sadly they do not have a strong foot hold in Thuringia. So after sitting the side lines I got lucky and had a run in with TBH/WMD. Blue started to move in on my old lands, maybe me willing to stand up to the rank 2 on the server with him easily out classing me, was enough to get invited.
    BlueMadnes started to move into your area, you stood up to him, and got invited? BlueMadnes and you start to move into my area, I stand up to the both of you, and I got some cities npced ... sounds like I caught tbh/wmd on a few bad mood days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    And so time went on. Then I notice you did not seem to be really expanding, I watched your presitge for a while. Then as with time, things do change. I was lucky to be asked to join TBH/WMD. I was asked to join in the fight, so I did and I learned much that being part of a smaller alliance failed to show me. I was not ready for war and so I setup to gear for war.
    I stopped expanding after a while, since I was already at 9 cities, and after I could get 10, I chose to keep it open for strategic purposes. As to expanding on valleys, there were no more unclaimed valleys nearby, and taking valleys from others would mean making enemies of those who were civil neighbours. I chose to keep my troop strength for those already hostile, instead of burning them up in a conflict for valleys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    I will admit I did NPC your city, show me where it says we should not and I will say "My Bad" okay I am lying I will not. I was fighting you, I manage to take your city. Yes you would have taken it back...so I took an old tactical apporach to it. Sorched Earth, sorry if my spelling is wrong.
    As to the npcing of the first city, you mailed me saying that you knew it was a mistake, now you're saying it was done intentionally as a scorched earth tactic. Facinating ... tbh/wmd, I hope you're taking notes.

    And the destruction of fortifications in one of your cities was intended as an indication that I could do that to any and all of your cities, but I did not at that time. Too bad that you failed to understand the subtlety ... that I chose not to continue past that one retaliation attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    I can not help it you decided to just give up. You could have teleported out, take one city and leave or all of them. But as you said often, you were not online.
    As for the 'giving up' part, if you read, I had said that I had been intending to quit for a while, just needed a reason. When I was online, I could have teleported out, but then it would have defeated the reasons that I had stayed in that spot since the beginning, and having few alliance members in the same state earlier (and for some time, having no alliance members in the same state).
    A few of those reasons being,
    -I had established a reputation among my neighbours, one of leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone,
    -I did not want to carve out new territory, making enemies of many around me, having to spread my forces out to deal with all of them instead of keeping the focus narrow on a few, all with the short time that I could be online on many days,
    -I liked all of my cities concentrated together, (it was like 1 really big city), and I had it set up to be able to move them around very fast (transports moved from one end to the other in about 2-3 minutes), and able to shift troops and strike from any of my cities (but I was lazier than this ambitious idea), or shift masses of troops from one city to another inbetween incoming attacks on more than one of my cities (unless the attacks were timed to be seconds apart) so I could keep my forces focused and massed instead of being divided and weaker than their fraction of the whole.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    Being online would have just prolong what was coming. You would have fallen, your clearing my def was pointless with you having no support in the area. I can rebuild defences. I can rebuild cities...I am arm my troops. They will march to war for me.
    Being online would have prolonged what was coming ... a rank 2 and a rank 4 breaking their forces on my defenses until my defenses were worn down, or cities being taken while I was offline. It would have happened eventually as they have the troops to keep sending. Clearing your defenses in of itself isn't much, but doing so with a rank 2 with troops on the way, and you online (but mostly hiding your troops ... I was so hoping that you'd try to defend because I was also curious to see how my attacks would have fared). Having alliance support wouldn't have mattered much, unless they were of comparable rank to BlueMadnes or Ahmdo. Of course you can rebuild your fortifications, but it's going to take a lot of resources and time. I can also rebuild cities, just don't have the time to babysit their early development anymore or the inclination (even when I was at 1 npced city). I can also arm my troops, they will march for me, but I won't hide them even against multiple 100k troop attacks from a rank 2, 4, and 100, and they won't run screaming in panic for others to do their attacking since I choose my targets carefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    So to my friend, thank you for posting here.
    And thank you for posting here, providing more discussion than we had ingame (partly my fault, I'm not too talkative ingame, just on forums), providing a few reasons why you switched alliances so much, providing a new category of responses to my posts, and providing some insight into your character.
    Last edited by Pocket; 06-08-2009 at 02:30 AM.

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    Loss wasn't inevitable in this situation, defensive advantage on a defended city results in casualty rates of between 10 and 20 to one in most cases. Therefore, as long as one can build 5k archers for every 100k enemy archers sent, it's quite possible to hold out indefinitely with current game mechanics. I'm somewhat surprised that they absolutely wasted their forces in this way, when everyone knows that defenses are broken as hell right now.

    Realistically, they'd have to bleed another 2million troops to break that army. Which proves the point that, in the games current form, it'd take a force larger even then wmd's best players to crack the defenses of a middle weight player.
    Last edited by Sloan; 06-08-2009 at 05:37 AM. Reason: typos

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