discipline

[JJ-Hunter]

my dad would spank me when i was being "bad" i think it made me stronger and more respecfull if anything...... he would normally give me a lil (hard) tap on the hand.... no wonder i can't spell worth

do what you feel is best.........

[desk]

Sorry about removing the color, but too distracting for me.

Being spoiled and selfish is a direct result of disciplinary rights being stripped away.

This has more to do with parents being away from the child more due to being forced to work more. Other factors do include the level of commer******m that is exhibited today compared to other times as well as many other things.

Maybe it's your age, or lack of having raised children that gives some of you this line of reasoning? I dont know, it's certainly not my place to make assumptions, and frankly, it's none of my business. However, I am well versed when it comes to raising children AND dealing with those who seem to think they have a better handle on my children's life than I do.

You know what they say about assumptions eh? You are not the only one here that is well versed in this either. I don't think anyone, at least not me, has argued that we should hand authority to raise our children or have them tell us how to raise our own children. These agencies are there because children get abused both physically and verbally everyday. Though physical abuse has a more immediate effect, the verbal (and usually emotional) abuse is dealt with on a longer time table, we're talking about well into adulthood. There should be some protection.

It is because the level of physical abuse was so prevalent that we are now, unfortunately in my opinion, hypersensitive to any type of physical action. We don't like it but we have probably gone overboard with it.

Maybe I missed your point, as there were many, because your post felt more like a nonsensical rant. Kids are people too, and should be afforded certain rights as people. If we leave it all to the parents then we would grow up in a very repressed society as we had done so for so many years. This doesn't imply that they have the same privileges as adults do, however we also can't leave it all on the wise parent...even when they aren't that wise.

And parent's hands aren't tied behind their back as badly as you say they are, I'm sure that is an exaggeration. If you are in a restaurant and feel that you cannot discipline your child appropriately, then it is the parent who is failing the child...and the longer it continues the worst it will be I'm sure. There is plenty you can do, just because you can full out spank the child doesn't mean that you can't do anything...I'm sure there are plenty of parents that have dealt with the same situation successfully without spanking.

[Mistress Kitti]

Kids are people too, and should be afforded certain rights as people. If we leave it all to the parents then we would grow up in a very repressed society as we had done so for so many years. <-----mmmHmmm, that's why most of the people in my generation have a straight head on their shoulders and know the defining difference between respecting your elders and blatantly spatting in the face of any adult who dare correct them for being out of control.
And parent's hands aren't tied behind their back as badly as you say they are, I'm sure that is an exaggeration.<----What did you JUST say 'bout assumptions??----->...I'm sure there are plenty of parents that have dealt with the same situation successfully without spanking<----well, arent YOU and THEM such sweet little SAINTS?? And how many children have YOU raised?? Just curious, cuz it takes a bit more than lip service to understand how it is to raise kids in an oh-woah-as-me, over priviledged, highly restrictive society. Sorry. Not EVERY where is like Perfect Town, or wherever it is you're coming from.

Yeah. You definitely have all the answers...and you most certainly know what you're talking about.

[Newptor]

But that is undeserving. Sometimes a parent can't get what they want. Hitting a child for not wanting to eat makes no sense bro.

So many things I could coment on, but I've got to answer this one.

My father didn't punish me because I didn't want to eat, although that would have been his perogative. He punished me because I defiantly told him No. That's a lesson every kid needs to learn, whether it's taught with time outs or whatever else works. When told to do something, it means, do it! It's not the opening offer in a negotiation. lol

[desk]

mmmHmmm, that's why most of the people in my generation have a straight head on their shoulders and know the defining difference between respecting your elders and blatantly spatting in the face of any adult who dare correct them for being out of control.

That's an assumption you made. If you want to be serious about this, it was your generation that raised kids in this manner. Like i said, i think we are just hypersensitive to this issue so we take extreme positions like you just did. Plenty of people my age are respectful and plenty of people of your generation are downright rude and vulgar. Of course, you don't hear me saying that everyone from your generation is rude and vulgar now do you?

<----What did you JUST say 'bout assumptions??----->.

Opinions and assumptions do differ, you should perhaps learn the difference.

<----well, arent YOU and THEM such sweet little SAINTS?? And how many children have YOU raised?? Just curious, cuz it takes a bit more than lip service to understand how it is to raise kids in an oh-woah-as-me, over priviledged, highly restrictive society. Sorry. Not EVERY where is like Perfect Town, or wherever it is you're coming from.

Since you asked, I was forced to raise my younger brother when I was 16 with little help from anyone. It seems that you may also guilty of thinking you have the answers. I never said I did, I simply tried to point out some of the hypocracy in what you stated earlier.

You don't like the way this generation has turned out? Well, since it was your generation that raised them then we should look at what happened then and find their share of the blame.

I'll agree that we have hindered disciplining our children through things like spanking but in my opinion I think it is an overreaction to the abuse that was and still is very real, perhaps not as prevalent though.

[Mistress Kitti]

Oh you poor thing. It must have been very difficult for you. I apologize for any disrespect. Geez. Your little brother, when you were only 16?? Just one little brother? I can see how you've come to your 'opinions'. You win. And I thought I had it rough. WTH was I thinkin?

[GermainZ]

Oh you poor thing. It must have been very difficult for you. I apologize for any disrespect. Geez. Your little brother, when you were only 16?? Just one little brother? I can see how you've come to your 'opinions'. You win. And I thought I had it rough. WTH was I thinkin?

gotta love the sarcasm..

[*jdm*]

gotta love the sarcasm..

glad im not the only one

[llloXolll]

Oh you poor thing. It must have been very difficult for you. I apologize for any disrespect. Geez. Your little brother, when you were only 16?? Just one little brother? I can see how you've come to your 'opinions'. You win. And I thought I had it rough. WTH was I thinkin?

gotta love the sarcasm..

glad im not the only one

Sarcasm is always a good thing, say your piece Kitti

[SickbyDefinition]

Yeah. Go ahead ya buncha softies. Keep on taking parental rights away. Give 'em to the state/govt/authority figures/etc, considering they're doing sucha [/I]GRAND job with the countries they run.

Would you specify exactly which parental rights have been taken away and given to the government?

No matter what all of your opinions are? It is the parent's rights to do as they wish in disciplining their offspring, because, well, they created them. >period< What a CONCEPT!! It is NOONE else's business! A 13 y/o has PRIVACY rights??? Are you kidding me?!!? There's a reason children are not considered to be 'adults' until the age of 18 *I personally believe that age could be extended, but that's jmho*. They challenge authority, it's in their nature...it is up to the parents to correct them. A grocery store...a child is throwing a spoiled brat temper tantrum to get that damit piece of candy in the check out line. Parent stands there frozen in terror, everyone's watching. Staring! Don't you DARE spank your child *aka: get their attention back to the reality that they are NOT running things here*, because we ALL have CPS on speed dial if you DO! Sitting in a busy restaurant...child begins flinging their spaghetti across the table splatting some poor innocent childless couple across the back. Don't you DARE discipline your child!! For they are ALL watching your every move. You even TWITCH that hand to swat his/her hand for acting crazy in public!!

I think you over-dramatized this. A swatting of a hand, or a spanking, in public, when a child is acting up is perfectly accepted. I see infrequently, and I've never seen anyone say something like "Don't you dare spank that child!"

I think you misunderstood the point of this thread, or took other peoples opinions too personally. They were trying to discuss boundaries, because, believe it or not, there is a difference between a spanking or hand swat and slapping a baby across the face. I've seen both, and the latter is unacceptable. Abuse. The difference is abuse, and it's a fine line, so the thread was created to discuss that.
I'm not sure why you got so fired up, but I would appreciate it if you simmered down a bit and try being a bit more polite.


Too many nosey, sheltered, ridiculously feeble minded people think it's their business to put their nose where it does not belong. Inside the home of families.

Again with rude insults. I am thankful their are organizations out there that are concerned with the treatment of children. Too many slip through the cracks and live through hell for years, their entire life. Perhaps if you tried to understand the other perspective, you might be a bit more sympathetic to their cause.. Right now you are coming off as bitter.


People wonder what's wrong with society today. Well, darlins. Take a grand look at our youth and how this generation has been allowed to run amok and do as they please because they have parents with their hands tied with red tape. THANK YOU HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS!! They don't HAVE to stay home and become productive people in society. They don't HAVE to finish their schooling. They don't HAVE to listen to authority. They don't HAVE to care about anyone but their selfish selves. Why?? "Authority" is so busy coddling our lazy, lack luster, no sense of direction/accountability/responsibility/priority children that they are throwing lil spoiled brat temper tantrums when they do not get their way and go shoot up other innocent children who DO have discipline in their homes.

Um, if a child is under the age of 18, you are legally allowed to keep them at home.. Not sure why you said that.
I agree, that children should not be allowed to drop out at 16.
They do have to listen to authority.
also, it would be your generation that brought up the current.. Soo.. =X


I cannot believe the whiney, snot-nosed creatures this up-coming generation has become. I'll tell you what. I was raised with discipline. In NO way was I treated with a heavy hand. But, I would NEVER disrespect my parents, or ANY adult for that matter, the way these snot nosed, meely-mouth lil punks do today! It would do their lily-white behinds some GOOD[I] to be turned red! Might teach 'em that respect they've gone far too long without!

I feel like you are taking frustration out on this thread, very rudely at that, and missing the point. As you say it doesn't take a heavy hand to instill respect, so do most of the people in this thread. If you are in agreement, why so angry?

Oh you poor thing. It must have been very difficult for you. I apologize for any disrespect. Geez. Your little brother, when you were only 16?? Just one little brother? I can see how you've come to your 'opinions'. You win. And I thought I had it rough. WTH was I thinkin?

this post astounded me, and I was tempted to delete it, maybe even dish out a fraction. But I want to say my peace, instead.
Very obviously, you do not know the conditions under which ^He was brought up. You don't know any of his back story, or how hard ^He worked to support his brother. You think raising kids is hard? Good job, everybody does. But you have a job, you have experience, support, and the wisdom that comes with age. I figured you would be sympathetic, because to be left to support yourself AND your brother when you're not even old enough to file for welfare? Old enough to get anything more than a minimum wage job, as well as having to deal with the hormones and anxieties of being a teenager, I cannot imagine what he went through, and neither can you, because it could've been sorta bad, or completely AWFUL. We don't know, and we can't assume. You mocking him actually offends me, please be more respectful to our members, old or young, agreeable or not.