discipline

[Baldyhun]

Hit em hard once and you shouldn't need to again.

[Gamble]

some interesting points all round....

the reason i asked this question was because the majority of individuals involved in the recent riots in England (London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester) were mostly youths, children that had not even left school yet (in England a lot of us leave school to start work aged 16)

I believe Mistress Kitti got it spot on. society has gotten slack on disciplining children.

[Newptor]

I definitely see nothing wrong with a good swat when needed.

Most memorable punishment I received:

When I was 6, I was playing out in the street with my friends. It was commonplace when the wagon train was stopped. My Dad yelled out that it was time to come in for dinner. I said, "NO!" Before the word finished coming out of my mouth, I knew it was the mistake of a lifetime. who'd have thought that old fart could run so fast?!? Once I was caught, he dragged me back to where my friends were, pulled off his belt, pulled down my pants and taught me the wisdom of never telling him "No" again. I never did either.

Nowadays, he'd probably go to jail.

Great thread, btw! I'm amazed it didn't turn into a flame war.

[llloXolll]

WARNING: If you are easily offended, CLOSE this comment IMMEDIATELY!!! It is NOT for the weak minded.

Yeah. Go ahead ya buncha softies. Keep on taking parental rights away. Give 'em to the state/govt/authority figures/etc, considering they're doing sucha GRAND job with the countries they run.

No matter what all of your opinions are? It is the parent's rights to do as they wish in disciplining their offspring, because, well, they created them. >period< What a CONCEPT!! It is NOONE else's business! A 13 y/o has PRIVACY rights??? Are you kidding me?!!? There's a reason children are not considered to be 'adults' until the age of 18 *I personally believe that age could be extended, but that's jmho*. They challenge authority, it's in their nature...it is up to the parents to correct them. A grocery store...a child is throwing a spoiled brat temper tantrum to get that damit piece of candy in the check out line. Parent stands there frozen in terror, everyone's watching. Staring! Don't you DARE spank your child *aka: get their attention back to the reality that they are NOT running things here*, because we ALL have CPS on speed dial if you DO! Sitting in a busy restaurant...child begins flinging their spaghetti across the table splatting some poor innocent childless couple across the back. Don't you DARE discipline your child!! For they are ALL watching your every move. You even TWITCH that hand to swat his/her hand for acting crazy in public!!

Too many nosey, sheltered, ridiculously feeble minded people think it's their business to put their nose where it does not belong. Inside the home of families.

People wonder what's wrong with society today. Well, darlins. Take a grand look at our youth and how this generation has been allowed to run amok and do as they please because they have parents with their hands tied with red tape. THANK YOU HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS!! They don't HAVE to stay home and become productive people in society. They don't HAVE to finish their schooling. They don't HAVE to listen to authority. They don't HAVE to care about anyone but their selfish selves. Why?? "Authority" is so busy coddling our lazy, lack luster, no sense of direction/accountability/responsibility/priority children that they are throwing lil spoiled brat temper tantrums when they do not get their way and go shoot up other innocent children who DO have discipline in their homes.

Very touchy subject for me. Hurt your feelers?? Awwwww!! I feel soo sorry for you, here...take a tissue and go cry me a freakin river! I TOLD you to close out of here!

I cannot believe the whiney, snot-nosed creatures this up-coming generation has become. I'll tell you what. I was raised with discipline. In NO way was I treated with a heavy hand. But, I would NEVER disrespect my parents, or ANY adult for that matter, the way these snot nosed, meely-mouth lil punks do today! It would do their lily-white behinds some GOOD to be turned red! Might teach 'em that respect they've gone far too long without!

^^All of the above is stated in the tone of an American...Free? Questionable...but American nonetheless.



*WARNING: Prime example of out of control youth*

GO CHICKEN GO!!

CPS is about as worthless as the goverment running it. Should we have CPS to protect abused children ? ABSOLUTELY. Should CPS be investigating everything that gets complained about ? ABSOLUTELY, but only to ensure that abuse is not happening.

The problem with CPS is that these case workers get way too much authority. These case workers have the authority to walk into a school, question a child doing so in such a manor that will mislead the child to implicate the parent for wrong doing. All while the parent is not notified or present for such interview. They then have the authority to remove the child from his/her home and placed in the greatest foster home with other "abused" and miscontent children. GREAT IDEA.

Lets get back to the "time out" society though, answer these questions please

- should a child be able to throw a tantrem in a grocery store becuase they wanted that candy, without getting their butt busted ?
- should a child be able to yell and scream at thier parent because they didn't get their way without getting thier butt busted ?
- should a child be allowed to call his teacher a b*tch without getting their butt busted AT SCHOOL AND AT HOME ?
- should a child be able to tell his mother that she is a fat piece of sh*t, without getting slapped ?


Sorry if this hurts your feelings but I have and will again put my children in place IF they do something that warrents it, I don't care if it's in Walmart, church or at home.

My house has simple rules for physical discipline

- disrespect a parent and you're getting your a$$ whipped
- disrespect a teacher and you're getting your a$$ whipped (a teacher spends more time per day with our children and should be respected as such)
- hit a girl and you're getting your a$$ whipped
- show your a$$ in public and you'll get your a$$ whipped in public

My children are prime examples of this working, the last time I had to physically displine my 17 yr old son was 7 years ago when he disrepected his mother, when he picked himself up off the floor he knew never to do that again. My duagheters have been fairly good so far, at 15 and 10 I seriously can't recall the last time I've had to spank either of them. Lucky for them they never tested me on the public matter, but then again they know I'll do it.

Different forms of discipline works for different households, if you feel that time out works for you then great. Time out doesn't work in my house, but then again I refuse to use time out due to having to baby sit the time out generation after they commit crimes and end up in prison becuase Mom and Dad were either therapist's, crack addicts or just truely didn't care enough about thier children to provide appropriate discipline based on the situation.

[Skirata]

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But that is undeserving. Sometimes a parent can't get what they want. Hitting a child for not wanting to eat makes no sense bro.

[slicendice]

I think a 'spanking' or 'whipping' is perfectly acceptable.
I got 'spanked' when I was a kid. And my parents did it in public. If I acted up in front of people, that's where I got my punishment. At the time, I thought it was so mean. Now, I think its the right thing to do. But I agree with physical punishment, though I do like rewarding people.

[Boleslav]

CPS is about as worthless as the goverment running it.

Steer away from political comments please.

[slicendice]

1950 - Go get a switch so I can beat yo ass.
1970 - I'll whack you with this spoon.
1990 - Timeout + habenero pepper + possible spanking
2010 - No computer for a week

I think we found the problem?

Darn you acer! I must spread some rep!

Pfffff! That's MY point, which you've completely missed *in red* Those who raised them? Who, exactly, would that be? Certainly not the parents. Oh NO! All that is holy forbid!!

Those who taketh away parental rights think they know how to raise someone ELSE's kid better than the parents who had them in the 1st place. Being spoiled and selfish is a direct result of disciplinary rights being stripped away. They wouldn't BE selfish if they were raised by the parents who created them, who held them in their infancy, who knows their every little heartache and disappointment throughout their youth, who knows what THEIR child is thinking/feeling just from looking into their eyes before they can even attempt to express themselves. Yeah. Who needs parents/discipline anyway??

Maybe it's your age, or lack of having raised children that gives some of you this line of reasoning? I dont know, it's certainly not my place to make assumptions, and frankly, it's none of my business. However, I am well versed when it comes to raising children AND dealing with those who seem to think they have a better handle on my children's life than I do.

I also find it extraordinarily humerous, that those in some sort of authoritive level in society can abruptly change from 'you do not have rights to know what your 13 y/o is in the hospital being treated for' ... *and in the very same breath* but would you please (1) Consent to mysterious treatment of your son/daughter? (2) PAY for it (3) Be legally responsible for whatever it was to get them in the situation that brought them here in the first place??? Yeah... Eff you parents! Please drive thru!

I'm done with this conversation, as you can tell, I'm a bit sensitive. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. *as long as it's not your parents guiding you to have your own opinion that is*

Now...off to try to give Acer some Rep lovins cuz...yeah. I do believe you may have found somewhat of a solution/explanation *arrrrgh!! NOT THE WOODEN SPOOOON!! *

Hahahaha, I knew there was a reason I loved you kitti!
OH, and from your other post: We should just let the chickens raise the kids....

All these kids that arent getting spanked are running to domanitrixs as soon as they are 30 ... So spankings should be allowed as in the long run they save males money, and put women back in the kitchen.

And you have such a good point xD

[Deathslayr]

My parents tried the no computer thing when I was in middle school. It never worked out for various reasons like I'd plug it back in while they were gone, go on the neighbor's wireless or block certain teachers from emailing my mom because she had an obvious password ... in retrospect, I feel bad for them, they put up with a lot.

Oooo, just like me.
First they took away my computer. I plugged it back in. Then they took the powercord. Then I grabbed one from a spare computer at my mates house. They took away keyboard. I grabbed one from spare room. They set a password. I reset it when I was "doing my homework".

Ah the memories...oh wait that was like last year.

[Alusair]

I was spanked when I was little and misbehaved. It didn't turn me violent, make me scared of my parents, emotionally scar me, or make me rebellious. If anything, it taught me that actions have consequences and that I should be responsible for my own behaviour.

Looking back, I'm glad I was spanked. I wouldn't have it any other way. I respect and love my parents and I know that feeling is mutual from them.

I'm sorry, but I've always felt it was the other punishments are the ones that just don't work. From my experiences, taking things away from kids is what turns them rebellious and makes them hateful towards parents, and I've never seen "go to your room and think about what you've done" be effective as the kids just play with the toys in their room or daydream until they're free to go cause trouble again.