Apparently we're in trouble Gents

[SickbyDefinition]

Seriously? Stop talking about conjugation, or I will end this discussion.

[rasterbee]

Bacterial conjugation is often incorrectly regarded as the bacterial equivalent of sexual reproduction or mating since it involves the exchange of genetic material. During conjugation the donor cell provides a conjugative or mobilizable genetic element that is most often a plasmid or transposon. Most conjugative plasmids have systems ensuring that the recipient cell does not already contain a similar element.

[Oro]

After reading the article through twice I noticed that the statistics shown are so pathetic its not even funny. Women pay rose by 44% whereas Men pay rose by 6% in the past 37 years? There were barely any woman working 37 years ago, if they had given us the average income amounts we could have gleaned more info. There is more out-of-wedlock births these days? Last time I checked that requires a woman, so the scores even there. I won't get into the pathetic religious %'s. The college degree point and the amount of men working at prime age (depending on what they took as the prime age since there is more education these days) were the only decent points. The end section full of stereotypes and a founding father reference (wtf?) is equally pathetic.

I don't disagree with the fact that women have achieved a lot in the past half century but the article seems to be designed to glean people of to one side instead of giving them information and letting them make up their own minds.

/rant


Edit: 666th post!!! Woot Woot!!!

[Cosmic Fury]

My opinion of the matter is that there are fewer and fewer good fathers nowadays...

If a man doesn't teach his son how to be a wise adult, and his mother has to do that instead...it just would not be the same.

Mothers tend to stick to their children almost by instinct...Call it what you will, but it happens. However, most men feel an inclination these days to run off and hope to dump all of the new "problems" on the girl while he continues to have his fun...

Nowadays, men aren't brought up to be responsible and mature people. That is why men are "falling behind." Not only that, but women in general have learned that the concept of being totally independent of others isn't such a bad thing at all, and are acting on it...

I can go all day listing stuff to add to this discussion, but that would be ruining this thread totally...

[Dabo614]

My opinion of the matter is that there are fewer and fewer good fathers nowadays...

If a man doesn't teach his son how to be a wise adult, and his mother has to do that instead...it just would not be the same.

Mothers tend to stick to their children almost by instinct...Call it what you will, but it happens. However, most men feel an inclination these days to run off and hope to dump all of the new "problems" on the girl while he continues to have his fun...

Nowadays, men aren't brought up to be responsible and mature people. That is why men are "falling behind." Not only that, but women in general have learned that the concept of being totally independent of others isn't such a bad thing at all, and are acting on it...Unlike many boys, who think with their unmentionables instead of their brains, unfortunately...

I can go all day listing stuff to add to this discussion, but that would be ruining this thread totally...

you make good points here, i am a father of two, and would hate to not be around my kids. However your leaving out the fact that women can be equally as selfish,,i know this doesnt happen often but their are women who kill their kids, throw them in trash cans, or refuse to pay child support,,or siimply ***** around. As ive said in previous post i believe men and women are equals, both should have the same rights, as both are capable of the same stuff. Men can be independant as well as women, the whole point im making is we are human and we are built to have a mate for life,,,society has messed things up and pitted man against woman, which only further divides us.

[Morgan le Fay]

Where to start? In the last 100 years women's right's have surged. In the early part of the 20th Century the suffragette movement fought bravely (and in rather bizarre ways) for the right to vote. Emily Pankhurst and her followers felt that women needed to be recognized more in society rather than simple ornaments of the home.

They didn't get the vote until after the end of the First World War. The simple fact of the many women keeping the country going in light of the men going away to war changed the attitude of the very male ruling class. At first only women over 30 and land owners could vote but that changed in time to equal that of men. This was the first step of change, women now wore more revealing clothes, smoked and drank.

Women's next boost to equality came after the Second World War, where once again many women took on male roles while their men were away at work. After WWII, women continued in paid employment after all the men returned. There were attempts in the 50's and 60's to entice women back to the role of homemaker but as we all know this failed. Finally in the 1970's two acts were passed that made equal pay and rights law. In the 1980's we see the first signs of women in power and in highly paid careers, which up until that point were unthinkable.

In recent years there have been studies that have shown modern day education favoring girls rather than boys. Is this the reason why it seems more women are chasing after higher education like never before, it certainly seems likely. As for the amount of single families and children born out of wedlock that could be blamed on the lack of moral standards we have nowadays. The strict religious upbringing of our parents and grandparents vaporized during summer of love. It seems today's sexual freedom has come with a price. Only time will tell if a balance can be wrought.

You may all wake up now. Most of the history I've written here is very British I'm afraid.

[rasterbee]

I think Jurnis should go ahead and ruin the thread.

[Emma6]

Where to start? In the last 100 years women's right's have surged. In the early part of the 20th Century the suffragette movement fought bravely (and in rather bizarre ways) for the right to vote. Emily Pankhurst and her followers felt that women needed to be recognized more in society rather than simple ornaments of the home.

They didn't get the vote until after the end of the First World War. The simple fact of the many women keeping the country going in light of the men going away to war changed the attitude of the very male ruling class. At first only women over 30 and land owners could vote but that changed in time to equal that of men. This was the first step of change, women now wore more revealing clothes, smoked and drank.

Women's next boost to equality came after the Second World War, where once again many women took on male roles while their men were away at work. After WWII, women continued in paid employment after all the men returned. There were attempts in the 50's and 60's to entice women back to the role of homemaker but as we all know this failed. Finally in the 1970's two acts were passed that made equal pay and rights law. In the 1980's we see the first signs of women in power and in highly paid careers, which up until that point were unthinkable.

In recent years there have been studies that have shown modern day education favoring girls rather than boys. Is this the reason why it seems more women are chasing after higher education like never before, it certainly seems likely. As for the amount of single families and children born out of wedlock that could be blamed on the lack of moral standards we have nowadays. The strict religious upbringing of our parents and grandparents vaporized during summer of love. It seems today's sexual freedom has come with a price. Only time will tell if a balance can be wrought.

You may all wake up now. Most of the history I've written here is very British I'm afraid.

so the point is that even though women's wages have increased by much more then men's it was because women were being paid so low or not at all anyway. you can talk about how women are taking over the men, jeez guys does it really matter? We're all human.

[rasterbee]

The claim that women are being treated as equals to men is ludicrous. Yes, women's rights have exponentially increased in the past 100 years but it will be another 250 years before the average woman is viewed equal to the average men. We could talk all day about how women are CEOs and national leaders, but the occasional 4-leaf clover in a field does not mean half of the entire field is 4-leafed.

Again, women are smarter than men. This is not arguable. But men are stronger and generally treat most women as sex objects, maids, cooks and house cleaners. The stereotypical woman who places her career over having children is often viewed as cold, undesirable and deceptive. Any women who has sexual relations with an above average number of partners is viewed as a tramp. As much as things have changed in the past 100 years, women are still no where close to possessing the same rights as men.

[Kemal Rondal]

Again, women are smarter than men. This is not arguable. But men are stronger and generally treat most women as sex objects, maids, cooks and house cleaners. The stereotypical woman who places her career over having children is often viewed as cold, undesirable and deceptive. Any women who has sexual relations with an above average number of partners is viewed as a tramp. As much as things have changed in the past 100 years, women are still no where close to possessing the same rights as men.

I do not agree that women are totally smarter then men. Both have their own spheres where they exert control. Men are usually better at organising events, leadership and planning ahead, while women are better at taking care of things and dealing with present problems. Of course, they are several exceptions.

And today, at least where i live, men who have sexual relations with anyone other than their partners are punished and despised in the community. The same goes for women. In my opinion, in the present world women HAVE been given equal rights. They can become leaders, own jobs and generally do whatever men do.