
Originally Posted by
WolfgangMA
Considering the level of doping that his competitors were going through, I wonder if Lance just had better drugs, or if there was some talent/genetics/drive involved.
Tour de France results from 1999-2005:
1999
Lance Armstrong
Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)
Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2000
Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)
2001
Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Andrei Kivilev
Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2002
Lance Armstrong
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2003
Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
Haimar Zubeldia
2004
Lance Armstrong
Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2005
Lance Armstrong
Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
I find this to be a very fitting analogy ... Though I know Lance Armstrong cheated, anyone that were to deny that there was something more behind him than the cheating needs to really think about things. I had never seen the results displayed in this way and I think it portraits very well that he was NOT the only one and that more than 90% of the "leaders" in the tour de france were also cheating... so there's something more than just the drugs that gave him that advantage... It's almost perfectly analogous to evony. The bots can get u only so far, and especially at the beginning of the game it is incredibly time consuming to be setting up multiple accounts, to the effect that it could hinder ones ability to cap atlantis in 14 days as has been cited previously ...
Therefore, to say that there is purely cheating going on and thats the only thing that makes "the best" the best, i think, is unfair and stupid ... go to a time before bots, yes there actually was one, and look for who is named "the best." look at the people who are named in the lore of long-forgotten times of evony. If you find the same people are talked about there as are talked about now and still called "the best." then stop your complaining and moaning about them only cheating and thats the only reason they have done anything ...
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