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Thread: The Inventor of Cav Smacks and Scout Bombs

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    I was just wondering. Something told me this tool didn't invent anything. I mean of course he was probably great on s49 but I know he's not the invertor of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    EDIT: Jaq played early servers (like <10 I believe), and I'm good friends with a guy who played alongside him. So no, I'm not posting assumptions. Jaq was using horse-hits when others still thought WarriorBombs were.... well, the bomb.
    Sorry Estrickland, I edited my post.... people don't like to think that someone thought up something that's still so powerful, so early, plus I'm sure others have thought of similar hits themselves, thus claim originality. I personally thought up ballista/trans hits on L5's myself without help.... but others got there first, so I can't claim origin. Jaq can.
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    also from what I hear is that Jaq wasn't that great a player. In fact he hid behind his alliance and just used the attack more than anyone else. Thus the reason he got it named after him.

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    OK, well if you want to go with hearsay about what kind of guy he was, that's a different story from what your thread was originally stating.

    Jaq invented the Jaq & Smacks

    I don't know who invented the Scout Bomb.

    I also don't know what kind of people any of them were.

    EDIT: I'll also state that understanding the techs of the game, don't necessarily translate to being able to put it into practice, since that also requires things like timing.... not to mention nerves. Whether or not Jaq was a good player doesn't relate at all to whether or not he understood how the game worked.
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    Well thanks Khalee, that pretty much answered my question on who invented what

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    Scout bombs and Cav Smacks were around in the early days of evony. I saw one of the first scout bombs in Civony in fact. I played on W4 prior to the merge and spoke several times with players who spoke of the theory of a "cav smack".

    Of course in these days you were safe with a Phract defense.

    However, these tactics were well kept secrets amongst alliances back then. I remember getting a mail from a NAFTA member on W4 wondering how I killed so many troops with a scout bomb and a cav smack. Of course, rule was we did not reveal our tactics. When NAFTA and other alliances on W4 discovered the tactics, we worked on theories of the defenses. A scout bomb was never successful on our alliance members. People claimed we cheated or blamed it on our heroes, because our alliance had the best 50 heroes on the server.

    Long story short, the true answer to who discovered the "Scout Bomb" / "Cav Smack" etc will forever be unknown as in the early days these tactics were not announced all over the internet.
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    Jaq never gave a correct explanation to why the cav/phract smacks work. I dont think anyone can claim that they were the ones to invent these kinds of hits.

    Jaq never said anything about how rolling logs affects the scout layer in a cav/phract smack. He claimed that when the 5k setters were gone, the cavs got a speed bonus (which is bullcrap).

    Khalee is right, putting this into practice is hard, specially now that the bots rule the world. But knowing why it works helps you understand simple things like the fact that by adding thicker scout layer when the defender still got rolling logs, the logs wont take out the scout layer. Or if the defender has that 1 catapult, that you thicken your layers so that the 1 pult cant take out an attacking layer in 1 round. These are things Jaq never explained, so claiming he invented something he couldnt explain, makes it all seem like a copy of a hit he saw in War Reports.

    As for scout bombs, its not a hard thing to figure out. Any noob early on in the game will try to send unlayered attacks of any troop type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Jade~ View Post
    scout bombs dont drop loy. First i heard of the cav smack was on s31. first person to discover the power of a cav smack there was Jaq. The server referred to it as a jaq attack and guides he wrote can still be found if u look hard enough years later. but to figure out who first found out .. probably no one will ever be able to proove.
    Wrong. They used to be able drop loyalty You used to be able to farm lvl 10s with ballistas and no losses too. Ah Civony
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    Not to mention instant NPC resource regen Kiki.... ahh but I reminisce
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    Well acually i was the one that made calv smacks and scout bombs i tried it once on one guy then he started only doing it i have no clue why that would happen

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